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To: xone
Henry was hardly the 'father' of any reform, as he was late getting started and was only interested in getting back at the Pope for his non-annulments. No interest in scriptural truth, just secular power. In that way he was a mirror image of the Pope, but a 'father' of reform? I guess Catholics will call anyone father.

Well, he wanted to be a father, the Catholic Church said no, and so he started his own Church (1533/1534). He became an unholy father of an unholy church. Yes, he trailed Luther by some years (Luther's theses in 1517, Luther declared a heretic in 1521, Luther unable to agree with Zwingli on Eucharist in 1529, Luther starts his own religion in 1530 with Augsburg Confession). It appears that the norm of the Protestant model is to continually re-form their religions. They obviously are not the holy catholic apostolic Church. Do you share the view that such a Church has not existed on this earth since the death of the Apostle John ?

298 posted on 05/06/2014 7:23:59 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981
Luther starts his own religion in 1530 with Augsburg Confession).

Reasserted Christianity, faith in what God says, not what some man says God says.

They obviously are not the holy catholic apostolic Church.

What doctrine of 'Luther's' isn't in consonance with Scripture? The current Catholic church salvatory doctrines aren't. The accretions over the 1100 odd years till Hus bear little resemblance to what the Apostles taught. That doctrine is found in Scripture.

Do you share the view that such a Church has not existed on this earth since the death of the Apostle John ?

The faith that the Apostles, including John, had once delivered to the saints in the form of the Holy Spirit inspired scripture which we have today is the basis of the church. The organizations and individuals who conform themselves to that faith and ground their teaching doctrines in the words of God found in the scripture are the true church. No more or less than the one led by the Apostles. Those that persist in teaching in opposition to that Word are in error. To the extent that the Gospel is preached in those orgs means that there are likely Christians there, in spite of the add-ons rather than because of them.

311 posted on 05/06/2014 8:33:03 PM PDT by xone
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