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To: Campion
You really have to ignore big chunks of the Bible to believe this, beginning with Acts chapter 2.

Nope...Just have to get everything in the right perspective, and in the right dispensation...

Water never did a thing for anyone in the New Testament...Getting wet was always the reaction for something else...

82 posted on 04/22/2014 9:06:29 AM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Iscool

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/born-again-in-baptism

One key Scripture reference to being “born again” or “regenerated” is John 3:5, where Jesus says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”
This verse is so important that those who say baptism is just a symbol must deny that Jesus here refers to baptism. “Born again” Christians claim the “water” is the preached word of God.
But the early Christians uniformly identified this verse with baptism. Water baptism is the way, they said, that we are born again and receive new life—a fact that is supported elsewhere in Scripture (Rom. 6:3–4; Col. 2:12–13; Titus 3:5).
No Church Father referred to John 3:5 as anything other than water baptism.


86 posted on 04/22/2014 9:41:00 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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