Posted on 04/20/2014 12:50:38 PM PDT by Gamecock
Not one of the Disciples or Apostles claimed perfection for they too knew they were human. They were wise enough however to listen to The Lord and The Holy Spirit for guidance. We should do no less. My last answer to you on this. If it isn't enough for you that's not my problem. :>}
Mary is dead.
Those “7 churches” in Revelation were 7 communities of Catholics/Orthodox, not 7 different Christian faiths. That was too easy.
The seven Churches listed were all part of the same apostolic Church. Part of John’s job as bishop, was to ensure that the seven Churches listed in Revelation were united in teaching a uniform body of doctrine.
Perhaps it would help if you read a bit more skillfully, even just as far as the wider context that is evident on this thread alone (for starters) -- rather than reach for deliberate "misunderstanding" to which you could then form reply towards.
Since you have brought no challenge to any of the rest of that "context",I'll assume it is because you cannot do so successfully, so instead rely upon cheap-stunt distraction as primary "defense".
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Where do you suppose the early church fathers GOT the truths they used to develop the replies and arguments that established doctrines Christians should believe in the first place? I sounds to me like you are advocating for an authoritarian church that can determine for itself what is or is not the rule of faith based upon their own ideas, musings and interpretations and impose them upon ALL Christians whether or not they have Scriptural substantiation. Even a quick read through the writings of these early leaders will be enough to demonstrate that they relied upon both the Holy Scripture (God-breathed truth) and the Holy Spirit to defend truth from error.
Where are you getting this polemical idea of us deciding whatever we choose to call the basis of our faith? The obvious foundational fault some Roman Catholics rely upon is the mistaken idea that their church can dictate TO God what should be believed - even to the point of ignoring what He says in His word. This thread was started to discuss the relevant point of the role sacred Scripture plays within the church. To advocate that the church is master over God's word rather than its servant is to assert human authority above God's authority - QUITE a weak and shaky foundation! Why not do some reflecting of your own?
Not from scripture alone. You really don't think that do you? The apostles taught no one who taught no one who taught no one?
Sola scriptura is not possible, it's not scriptural and it's not historical.
No church doctrine or dogma is perfect. None are nor can they be for they are the works of man.
How about "Jesus Christ is God"?
I think your position self-refutes. If no doctrine or dogma is perfect then this doctrine too is flawed. I think your argument defeats your argument. Nothing more is required.
Hi Elsie.
Always nice to see your non sequitur posts. Coherency is so dull after a while.
That would be mind-reading, attributing motives.. Adhering to the forum guidelines is always a good idea.
You can repeat that claim until your fingers bleed but it won't make it true. My faith "heritage" is based upon the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles as they recorded them in sacred Scripture. I can show you every single doctrine I believe from Scripture. Can you? That is really all the "apostolic succession" one needs - a succession of the truth and not of who ordained whom and so on.
I think it is quite sad how so many RCs think Martin Luther was the be all and end all of the Reformation and that by picking on him they wound all non-RC Christians with one swipe. Get a history book and find out for yourself what is the truth about that time rather than the cleaned-up, we are the good guys, RCC modified version.
I fully agree that Christ established here on earth only one church - just that it's NOT the Roman Catholic Church in exclusion of all other believers in Christ, who are each living stones being built up into His spiritual house of which Christ is the chief cornerstone. Quit trying to hog the glory that belongs to Christ alone and which He shares with NONE others.
When you get to heaven (if?) you will have to get used to the idea that Jesus Christ is the Good Shepherd and His sheep hear HIS voice and He knows them and they know Him. You'll have eternity to adapt.
LOL I think you’re Trolling the thread myself. Many have answered you with good well reasoned answers. Your replies are word games twisting the posters words into some meaning they did not say. I’ll pass.
Just to clarify...are you asserting that Christ established the Roman Catholic Church - excluding all other Christian assemblies - from the start?
What meaning did I twist your words into that you did not say?
We have more copies of the Bible manuscripts than ANY other writings that existed in the world even a thousand years ago. That is why we can be assured that we hold in our hands and read the words God intended us to. The RCC claims of "inventing" the Bible and "giving" it to everyone is laughably arrogant. Gathering all the books that make up what is called the New Testament and putting them into a single volume is FAR from writing it and giving it to the world. You are correct that these writings were copied, collected, studied, preached, taught, read and passed on throughout the world and it was and IS God that ensured it would be. All the glory belongs to HIM.
I don't know BD personally, but I gather he is a Christian, a member of the Bride of Christ, His body, and is one of the living stones that God is building into his spiritual house. He, as do I, belong to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect. Wanna join? ☺
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