Posted on 04/20/2014 10:45:40 AM PDT by Old Yeller
Easter services today are expected to kick off a record-breaking week at the Vatican. Two beloved modern popes — John Paul II and John XXIII — are to be canonized at the Vatican next Sunday by Pope Francis. There will be services all week, which could draw the most pilgrims ever to the Catholic capital. John Paul II is remembered for helping to bring down communism and for inspiring a generation of Catholics.
Many now call him “The Great,” only the fourth pope to have earned the moniker. And while much of the crowd’s focus will be on the Polish pope’s remarkable achievements, Pope John XXIII — known as the “Good Pope” for his kindhearted nature — was no less revolutionary. Pope Francis bypassed the second miracle typically required for canonization for John XXIII, declaring that he deserved the honor for having convened the Second Vatican Council.
Rome officials said they expected 3 million visitors in the city during the period from the Easter celebrations this weekend and the canonization next Sunday. Nineteen heads of state and 24 prime ministers are expected to attend the canonization ceremony in St. Peter’s Square. In line with Pope Francis’s no-frills papacy, organizers said the canonizations would be a much more sober affair than the three-day extravaganza that marked John Paul’s beatification, the last step before sainthood, in 2011. Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the vicar of Rome, said some churches would remain open overnight on the eve of the canonization to provide a spiritual retreat for pilgrims, “but not much else.”
Francis has long signaled his support for making a saint of John Paul II, whose funeral nine years ago saw mourners chant, “Santo subito [Saint now]!”
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Post 35 is correct, it is simple “respect and honor” NOT worship.
An open admission that this canonization is politically motivated - an effort to sweep the turmoil unleashed by VII under the rug.
Have you done any comparative reasearch? It is beyond dispute that the Mass has been protestantized.
Your OPINION only.
Pre-Vatican II popes didn’t make comments that went against Catholic teaching. Francis does and Catholics still defend it.
Honor and defense of the indefensible : Apples and oranges.
LOL. Defending the traditional Catholic mass vs defending modernist comments of a pope.
Again, apples and oranges.
Not sure I’m following. Love and respect is not the same as worship.
“Pre-Vatican II popes didn’t make comments that went against Catholic teaching. Francis does and Catholics still defend it.”
Oh, I see. So you’re saying that because the popes of old were all super-orthodox in your view they were worthy of papal idolatry (as you put it)? And since popes in the present day “went against Catholic teaching” in your opinion now, all-of-a-sudden, that “papal idolatry” is now bad? So it isn’t the “papal idolatry” that is wrong, it’s whether or not the pope is orthodox enough to warrant it according to piusv on FR?
NO, that’s not what I’m saying. Papal idolatry is wrong either way. My point is that in days of yore you wouldn’t have popes making modernist comments and the lay folk defending it. Now we have the lay folk defending Francis as if he can do no wrong despite his modernist, un-Catholic comments. Therein lies the idolatry.
“Now we have the lay folk defending Francis as if he can do no wrong despite his modernist, un-Catholic comments. Therein lies the idolatry.”
So you’re now arbitrarily changing the definition of ‘idolatry’? Idolatry is to worship as divine anything that is not divine - meaning anything or anyone other than the Divine Persons of the Trinity. You’re saying that is someone defends comments - which you have decided are modernist - that is worshipping a false god. You realize that makes absolutely no sense, right? Not only have you set yourself up as the judge of the popes but you actually are arbitrarily altering the universally understood meaning of a word - “idolatry” - to do it.
Maybe you should stick to what you know instead. I have no idea what that is. I have doubts that you even know what that is, but it would be less embarrassing for you in any case.
Not to mention the most egregious failing: he deliberately chose to disobey Our Lady’s request that the Third Secret of Fatima be made public in 1960. He said it “wasn’t for our time” and that was that. To all those who insist that it was done, how’s that “period of peace” workin’ out for ya?
As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26 But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”
Acts 10:25-26
See #53.
Is the angel in Revelation 22:8 simply not getting this "love and respect" angle?
“Is the angel in Revelation 22:8 simply not getting this “love and respect” angle?”
The angel was being worshipped. He was right to stop that. No one is worshipping the pope. The angel understood perfectly. You apparently don’t.
“So explain to me why Peter didn’t buy that argument - that it was only “love and respect?””
Peter knew the difference between worship and simple respect. He didn’t assume those around him in a heavily pagan world did.
“Explain to me why the angels in the Bible don’t buy that argument either.”
They did. They didn’t want anyone to confuse them with God Himself in terms of worship. We suffer from no such problem whereas people of the ancient world were more easily led by their own experiences to believe the angels were God Himself.
“As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26 But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.” Acts 10:25-26”
Yep. And? I see no pope acting any differently when someone shows them any honor or respect. They always ask people to “Stand up”. So?
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i·dol·ize [ ī́d'l ̄̀z ] admire fanatically: to feel great admiration or love for somebody or something, often to excess worship something as idol: to worship something as an idol synonyms: worship, hero-worship, adore, look up to, admire, venerate, revere, put on a pedestal, exalt
It says he fell down to “worship”, not in honor, or in respect, etc. That is why the angel said, “Do not do that”.
Post #53 was making it personal.
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