The Jews start their days at sunset
The world starts their days at midnight
And God starts His Day with Light...
Let there be light.
Then there was dusk/twilight (I think erev in hebrew-evening, sunset, night)
then there was break of day-boqer in hebrew (morning) ( also end of night, coming of day light, breaking through of light)
The first day...
I for one can live with scripture saying day beginning at the first Light...and also saying in places Day (light) ends when the sun goes down..if I lived off the land and had no electricity, I think I would have to be up at the crack of dawn, like they needed to be back then..working in the light, so as to not stumble.
but if one has to know what cycle of time it could belong to-
the light or ‘day’ it follows is the 24 hour day cycle it would belong to according to genesis. And I think there are biblical passages that do have this template also.
The 14th day at evening isn’t the 15th ‘day’... it is still the 14th according to Genesis.. until the break of dawn(morning), then it is the 15th day..the next ‘light’..
That’s how the first week went and I am just following that pattern of light, less light, no light, new light.
He rested on the seventh ‘day’ and blessed it.. an interesting thing is I don’t think it mentioned ‘an evening or a morning’ after the seventh day rest..which I guess could be inferred a couple different ways.
But if others see it another way, whatever way- it is all for us to study and be convinced by scripture.
I like to try to think what was going on back before grocery stores and fast food joints and electricity. I certainly read scripture a little different.. tough t work in the dark back then and maybe a sabbath ‘day’ rest, was just that- the ‘daylight’ ...
This whole discussion has led me to look at Genesis 1, and ponder what is meant by the first day, the second day, etc.
Genesis 1 begins:
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Gen 1:1-4 NIV)
If it happened that God said, “Let there be light,” and separated the light from the darkness on the first day, wouldn’t it also happen that, after there was evening, and there was morning, the first day would have ended and the second day begun? And then wouldn’t God have created the vault on the second day, and after there was evening, and there was morning, the second day would have ended? And then wouldn’t God have said, “Let the land produce vegetation . . .” on the third day? Is there another way of counting the days that would make sense?
If this is the correct way to count the days in Genesis, then wouldn’t the way to count the days between Christ’s death and Resurrection be as follows:
Christ died on the cross and was laid in the tomb on the first day. And there was evening, and there was morning. The first day ended and the second day began. Christ remained in the tomb the second day. And there was evening, and there was morning. The second day ended and the third day began. At dawn of the third day, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb, and there was a violent earthquake for an angel of the Lord rolled back the stone and sat on it.
If not, what other way of counting days makes sense?
I have withheld comment upon your posts for some time, attempting to pick my words well.
While I am not a Lunar Sabbatarian (The term by which I have run into your thinking before), I must admit it has some attraction, for the reasons below:
First and foremost, it has always bugged me that there is no way to determine the Sabbath day according to the natural order of things. Every other Holy thing can be calculated by the stars (with the exception of a Jubilee year, which I am not sure of), but the most oft proclaimed and practiced day cannot be derived from the natural order (again, to my knowledge).
If your thinking is correct, then the Sabbath can always be reckoned.
Secondly, it resolves an error in the procession of things regarding an Holy Day: For an example, If one studies the temple proceedings for Passover (Talmud/ Mishnah), one will find the High Priest, after the selected lamb is slain, goes into seclusion deep under the Temple until the Sabbath before First Fruits - At dusk upon the end of that Sabbath day, he comes out of seclusion to accompany the priests out to the Mount of Olives in order to oversee the marking the sheaves to be taken the following morning for the purpose of the First Fruits offering... They are not cut then, but only bundled standing as a mark... He remains sanctified thereafter, returning to the Temple (but no longer underground) and cannot be touched until after the First Fruits offering has been completed - Thereafter, he is no longer sanctified and can go out among the people.
These actions offer a stunning parallel to Yeshua’s actions in the fulfillment!
But, let us say that our FRiends here are right, and that the High Sabbath of Passover coincided with the weekly Sabbath... How then can the priest conduct this ceremony?
If your thinking is correct, and the week is reset by the lunar sequence, then such a thing could never occur.
For now, I follow the Jewish reckoning of days and weeks - But I must admit it does bear consideration.
Magnificent defense, btw. You are easy reading : )