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To: livius

What apologetics would those be, specifically?


23 posted on 04/08/2014 7:45:37 AM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: SpirituTuo; livius

I do not believe livius mentioned the word “apologetics” in his response.

However, if some gay guy propositioned me - my apologetic would kick in after the guy found himself on the floor and I would have to apologize for my transgression.

AMDG


26 posted on 04/08/2014 8:55:58 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: SpirituTuo

Just take a look at the many, many pop-psychology books that came out after Vatican II, which has always accurately been described as a pastoral council and not a doctrinal council — because it was primarily about rejecting the Church’s pastoral teaching on sexual morality. That was why its supporters were so enraged when Paul VI did not support birth control. They thought they had finally swept away all that tedious sexual morality stuff.

All of the other things, such as the destruction of the liturgy and of Catholic practice, were basically aimed at wiping out all knowledge of the past and any trace of Catholic doctrine, which is founded on a combination of revelation, tradition and authority, by severing the connection with tradition.

Was this in the mind of everyone involved? Of course not, and in fact, it was probably only in the mind of a few, who saw their moment in the upheaval of the 1960s and seized it. But there is a saying from one of the Fathers (sorry, don’t remember which one) to the effect that “all heresy begins below the belt.” That is, people want unbridled sexual activity and make it their god - as they did in Sodom - and will come up with any ingenious intellectual argument to do so. And if resisted, they will use force, as did the men of Sodom, the gays of today, etc.

The Church is only just beginning to recover from this. The homosexual and pederasty scandals of the 1970s and 1980s were a direct result of the corrupt doctrines, acceptance of heretical teachings and tolerance of corrupt practice that had invaded the Church after the Council.


28 posted on 04/08/2014 9:54:27 AM PDT by livius
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