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To: daniel1212; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; CynicalBear; ...
SS does not hold that all that can be known/revealed is in the canonized scriptures, and only what is explicitly taught can be doctrine, and all that is needed for growth unto perfection is formally provided in Scripture, and that Scripture is all that is to be used in understanding God's will, that thus it was and is to be read by itself, without reference to historical doctrines or writings that can make it more comprehensible (elucidate it).

Wonderful. So next time someone thinks he defeated the Catholic doctrine by "'purgatory' is not in the scripture" or "where is praying to saints in the scripture" or "where is the word 'catholic' in the scripture" you will be with me explaining such primitive and legalistic approach to be without merit?

Next question: does "the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you. (John 14:26) say that the Church will continue to be inspired by the Holy Ghost to the extent that whatever is on the mind of the Church is as good as if Christ is saying it? Or is it the case where a Protestant must reach somewhere in the "traditions" of Luther and the rest of the charlatans to avoid taking this scripture as written?

a faith that effects the "obedience of faith,"

Great again; as I like to point out, "faith is what we do". So again, when someone tells me that "baptism does not save because to baptize is to work", or that "good works do not save because it is like purchasing salvation" you will see through the cheap illusion that these "objections" construct?

1,387 posted on 04/14/2014 5:55:31 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
So again, when someone tells me that "baptism does not save because to baptize is to work", or that "good works do not save because it is like purchasing salvation" you will see through the cheap illusion that these "objections" construct?

Thanks; RCC; for giving me a BIBLE with THIS in it!!


Acts 15

The Council at Jerusalem
 1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

 5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

 16 “‘After this I will return
   and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
   and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
   even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]
 18 things known from long ago.[c]

 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
 22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

   The apostles and elders, your brothers,

   To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

   Greetings.

 24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

   Farewell.

 30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

Disagreement Between Paul and Barnabas
 36 Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” 37 Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, 38 but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. 39 They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, 40 but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. 41 He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.
1,396 posted on 04/14/2014 7:21:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; CynicalBear
Wonderful. So next time someone thinks he defeated the Catholic doctrine by "'purgatory' is not in the scripture" or "where is praying to saints in the scripture" or "where is the word 'catholic' in the scripture" you will be with me explaining such primitive and legalistic approach to be without merit?

Quite the contrary, as you are missing the critical difference btwn the helpful consideration of what was been written and formulated as doctrine, and examining the warrant for such as noble Bereans would, versus hold such writings as themselves assuredly determining what Scripture says.

Next question: does "the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you. (John 14:26) say that the Church will continue to be inspired by the Holy Ghost to the extent that whatever is on the mind of the Church is as good as if Christ is saying it? Or is it the case where a Protestant must reach somewhere in the "traditions" of Luther and the rest of the charlatans to avoid taking this scripture as written?

A false premise and a false dilemma. Your premise is that John 14:26 means a perpetual assuredly infallible magisterium is promised, presumably as necessary for progressive revelation and understanding and preservation of Truth, neither of which is the case in Scripture, versus writings being established as Scripture and the assured revealed word of God, and thus being the supreme standard for obedience, and for testing and establishing Truth claims thereby

Secondly, one need not look to Luther and company to see the fallacy of your premise, upon which basis you hold that all who deny this error are charlatans.

What is your basis for assurance that Rome is the one true and infallible church that you see Jn. 14:26 promising?

It would seem that in essence you hold that being the historical instrument and steward of Scripture, which Rome claims to be, means such are the assuredly infallible determiners and interpreters of Truth.

Great again; as I like to point out, "faith is what we do".

But which is denied when Rome's actions speak louder than her words to the contrary.

So again, when someone tells me that "baptism does not save because to baptize is to work", or that "good works do not save because it is like purchasing salvation" you will see through the cheap illusion that these "objections" construct?

I see thru both the illusion that the act itself effects regeneration and formal justification based on interior goodness, even if done by an atheist on a soul that is without moral cognizance, as well as the premise that if any response by man is involved in conversion then it constitutes works.

Conversion has God "purifying the hearts by faith," (Acts 17:9) but even believing is a volitional act, not done in a coma, yet it is both motivated and enabled by God. (Jn. 6:44; 12:32; Acts 11:18; 16:14) The soul does what he otherwise would not and could not do. And in confessing that there is essentially no difference btwn moving one's neurons and tongue to confess faith in the crucified and risen Divine Lord Jesus of Scripture, and moving one's legs to do so in baptism.

However, neither the volitional faith response and confession of faith merits salvation, but it is faith in the heart that man believes unto righteousness, so that even a immobilized mute can be saved on his death bed, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the unGodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (Romans 4:5; cf. Titus 3:5) But works of faith justify one as having such faith. (Heb. 6:9)

1,403 posted on 04/14/2014 9:39:34 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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