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To: Alex Murphy; CynicalBear; daniel1212; BlueDragon; Springfield Reformer; Greetings_Puny_Humans
I've read posts in the past where Catholics claim Protestants are "hell-bound for being separated brethren"

No, as a direct quote, that is incorrect. Where are you quoting from? The Catechism, that Cynical Bear just brought to our attention explains the Catholic belief (I paraphrase): if a Protestant (for example) desires to obey in his works the Gospel of Jesus Christ even though his knowledge of Jesus Christ is distorted by Protestantism (or atheism, or Islam, etc. -- and I am not equating the three), then he may be saved through his good works. What would prevent a Protestant from reaching salvation is then an active defiance of the Catholic Church.

Often what people mean to say is that one educated about Catholic faith yet clinging to Protestant heresies is in grave danger of perdition. But only God knows your soul, and only God can save you. We don't.

1,297 posted on 04/12/2014 10:05:51 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
Often what people mean to say is that one educated about Catholic faith yet clinging to Protestant heresies is in grave danger of perdition.

I've lost my list.

Could you re-post them??

1,319 posted on 04/12/2014 1:57:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex; Alex Murphy; CynicalBear; daniel1212; BlueDragon; Springfield Reformer
No, as a direct quote, that is incorrect. Where are you quoting from? The Catechism, that Cynical Bear just brought to our attention explains the Catholic belief (I paraphrase): if a Protestant (for example) desires to obey in his works the Gospel of Jesus Christ even though his knowledge of Jesus Christ is distorted by Protestantism (or atheism, or Islam, etc. -- and I am not equating the three), then he may be saved through his good works.

A terrible, awful, demonic statement, absolutely contrary to the plain words of the scripture. We are saved by grace alone, which, by definition, is given gratuitously, and is not earned, as Augustine observes:

“For who makes thee to differ, and what has thou that thou hast not received?” (1 Cor. iv. 7). Our merits therefore do not cause us to differ, but grace. For if it be merit, it is a debt; and if it be a debt, it is not gratuitous; and if it be not gratuitous, it is not grace. (Augustine, Sermon 293)

And the scripture:

Rom_4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

Not only are you claiming that a man may be saved without grace, but you deny the effectual nature of grace which always leads men to Christ, and the sole position of Christ as savior of the world, making it possible for men who deny Christ to be saved according to their merits! This is the Pelagian heresy reborn beyond any doubt!

1,328 posted on 04/12/2014 2:08:12 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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