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Posted on 04/05/2014 5:57:23 AM PDT by Gamecock
well that was what I was hoping for,that someone like yourself or a group could do that.
I wont go into how badly some on the forum reacted to my mentioning it, maybe because it came from protestants giving testimony about what their experience was in a Mass versus their own experience as church going protestants in their own services.
It sounds interesting and if it increases the awareness Catholics for protestant scripture in their services and protestant awareness of Catholic scripture at Mass then it may be a good thing.
Plus Jim wins hopefully either way.
AMDG
Though saying this may make 'Jim Thompson' a bit irritated with me (I dunno, but' he's not without a sense of humor, which is what I am betting upon here), I kind-of think that if you just a sent a pie...well, one could always contribute to next quarter's fundraising..?
Alamo-Girl --- if you are uh, like 'watching your girlish figure' or something like that, than I could take delivery of any home-baked pies. I promise I'll take good care of them.
But maybe someone will take on the challenge.
I agree that both Catholics and Protestants would gain by seeing how much the other side declares Scriptures.
It's been an interesting sidebar. Thank you!
LOLOL! By all means, I could not possibly resist a pie, so please enjoy it - you’d be helping me.
I appreciate your admonition against "pettiness", but question the pettiness of your scolding me because I somehow "labeled" incorrectly. I don't know Metmom's "denomination" nor do I consider it germane to this discussion. I believe that she IS a Christian as we have had many conversations over the years outside of Free Republic. That some Roman Catholics here are also Christians is something I cannot know with the same certainty. We have already stated that certain people in ANY denomination that is thought of as Christian doesn't necessarily mean that they really are, as being a member of a church is not what makes one a Christian.
A final thought...I was talking about "some" Roman Catholics who wrongly accuse another Christian of lying. That statement alone DOES presume the RC is a Christian, else I would not have used the word "another".
at first I was shocked and thought that couldn’t be true.
But did you go check it out yourself or just continue to rely on hearsay?
Maybe the wind was blowing and it was just locks of Moses' hair poking out??? Moses was having a "bad hair day"? ;o)
Well, kecharitomene is just an ordinary perfect passive participle, if that's what you're trying to get at. It seems a reasonable Greek rendering of the well-established Hebraic notion of finding favor with God, as Noah did, as Abraham did, as Job did, etc.
Here’s the idea with a perfect participle. The aorist is a reference what they call punctilliar time. That is, it describes something that happened at a specific point in time. It could be anything. You have to look at the rest of the word to figure out what. For most purposes, the aorist just sets some singular action as occurring at one particular point in the past. The perfect just means the action is done and over. It does not, in itself, describe the formal extent of the act.
Let’s say the verb being modified by the participle was “saved” rather than “graced.” How would that look in some non-controversial context? Perhaps this:
“Having been saved from the sea, he climbed into the boat.”
“Having been picked up by the police, he was booked.”
Notice too the effect of the passive. This is something that happened to the person, and while the effects of the event continue on, the event itself does not, or at least not necessarily.
So for Luke 1:28, we could render the beginning of the angelic greeting something like this:
“Joyful greetings, Mary, [one] having been graced/highly favored …”
The temptation is to read into any given text special theological meanings that may not be present in the ordinary sense of the text, but derive from other sources. But that puts one at risk of committing the fallacy of special pleading, making something out to be an exception when there is no logical or factual warrant for doing so.
So here, there are other instances of perfect passive participles where there is clearly no possibility of a special theological meaning, such as eulogemenoi (“having been blessed”) in Matthew 25:34. It simply describes a completed, one-time event that happened to someone, rather than being caused by them. It falls to the root of the word to find out what the event actually was, as here it means “bless,” and in Luke 1:28 it means “favor”, “grace”, or even “kindness.”
But the precise theological nature of the event’s impact to the subject when it did occur is not described at all by the peripheral attributes of tense, voice and mood. That would have to come from a combination of a fully developed lexical sense of the root, combined with analysis of other passages, comparing Scripture with Scripture. And in the case of Christ we do have this confirmation from other Scripture, where it is explicitly set forth that he was tempted like any man, but without sin. See Hebrews 4:15. We have no such confirmation with Mary.
Nah, but she is a Muzzie.
Nah, but she is a Muzzie.
I'll take that as a 'no'.
In your qualifiers: the good & the wicked.
Revelation says ALL stand at THE judgment.
You said the WICKED would be judged; but made no mention of the GOOD being judged.
'Mary' is also seen in...
burnt toast
underpass stains...
Fatima...
Them wings sure come in handy!
No. It was NOT 'lost on me' or others, eithers I imagine.
It was MOCKING the word play that Catholics learn early on to claim they are not praying TO ____________ (fill in either Mary or some other Saint) but praying THRU them.
So we need to see the totality of Scripture in EVERY Catholic Mass versus the totality of scripture in ANY protestant service.
Moving the goalposts again, I see.
First it was that there is more Scripture read in any mass than any Protestant service. Now it's snippets of phrases that someone says that are allegedly supported by Scripture verses?
But if that's going to be the criteria....OK.....
Likewise.
Still wriggling?
If you 'know' them well; perhaps you can get THEM to verify THEIR statements and not try to get US to do it!
You 'trust' them; but do not appear to 'trust' your FR Protestant buddies.
Phil is puzzled by fruits!
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