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Pay No Attention to That Man Behind the Curtain! Catholic History and the Emerald City Protocol
reformation21 ^ | April 2012 | Carl Trueman

Posted on 04/05/2014 5:57:23 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: LurkingSince'98
If ANY Catholic EVER worships ANYONE other than the three persons of the TRINITY they are automatically EXCOMMUNICATED Latae sententiae.

Dang it! We are NOT worshipping; but ADORING!!!!


641 posted on 04/09/2014 4:48:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
BTW what do you say to all the protestants who are going through RCIA right now to enter the Catholic Church.

Uh...

Have fun doing all that extra stuff?


Acts 15

The Council at Jerusalem
 1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

 5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

 16 “‘After this I will return
   and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
   and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
   even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]
 18 things known from long ago.[c]

 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
 22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

   The apostles and elders, your brothers,

   To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

   Greetings.

 24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

   Farewell.

 30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

Disagreement Between Paul and Barnabas
 36 Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” 37 Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, 38 but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. 39 They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, 40 but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. 41 He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.
642 posted on 04/09/2014 4:52:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Be careful, that might make you a liar.


643 posted on 04/09/2014 4:53:53 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner

We venerate the relics of saints, absolutely, for these are bodies that will rise up. We don’t worship them; we worship God alone in the sacrifice of the Holy Mass.


644 posted on 04/09/2014 4:55:32 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Karl Spooner
Why not?

You can't PROVE that is WORSHIP instead of ADORATION!!


645 posted on 04/09/2014 4:55:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
would not have a clue

Happens to you often.

646 posted on 04/09/2014 4:56:08 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: LurkingSince'98
I wouldn’t know since I have never been to a protestant service, however, I have been told by protestants that there is more Scripture in a Catholic Mass than they hear from their preacher or pastor on any given Sunday.

No need to rely on second hand info (You've bashed that enough already in this thread) there are THOUSands OF PROTestant churches open on any given Sunday (and other days as well).

Even a vampire can enter them, as there's no Holy Water to repel them.

You can slip right in the door and find out for yourself. (What a concept!)

You might want to take a month or so to sample all varities of them.


[Note: even the Mormon 'missionaires' do this visitation thing...]

647 posted on 04/09/2014 5:01:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
But it is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant; and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be slave of all. "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." (Mark 10:43-45)

They will protest that the pope is a servant - the kind of humble servant that for centuries had a protocol of bowing before and kissing the popes foot, found as early as the sixth and eighth centuries, respectively, which took after the practice given to rulers of this world.

The veneration shown in the kissing of a person's hand or the hem of his garment is accentuated in the kissing of the feet. This is probably implied by the phrase of Isaias (49:23): "Kings...shall lick up the dust of Thy feet." Under the influence, no doubt, of the ceremonial of king-worship, as manifested in the cultus of the Roman emperors, this particular mark of veneration came to prevail at an early date among the usages of the papal court

At the election of Leo IV (847) the custom of so kissing the pope's foot was spoken of as an ancient one... Innocent III explains that this ceremony indicates "the very great reverence due to the Supreme Pontiff as the Vicar of Him whose feet" were kissed by the woman who was a sinner. - Catholic Encyclopedia>Kiss; http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08663a.htm

Dictatus papae [1075] That of the pope alone all princes shall kiss the feet.

And that also like an autocratic secular ruler,

That a sentence passed by him may be retracted by no one; and that he himself, alone of all, may retract it. That he himself may be judged by no one. http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/g7-dictpap.asp

Yet nowhere do we see any believer bowing before another believer in such obeisance (which enemies will do: Rv. 3:9) as despite positional differences and even sometimes that of holiness and power, the worldly master/servant dichotomy is censured by Christ, "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren." (Matthew 23:8) Thus Peter, as you know, refused to let even a pious lost man bow down to him. (Acts 10:25-26) And Paul did not kiss the feet of those who "seemed to be pillars."

Likewise there is also something against making broad their phylacteries, and enlarging the borders of their garments. (Matthew 23:5)

But the more secular power Rome gained, then the more she acted like the rulers of this world.

As Peter was given a new name so does the new Supreme Pontiff become known by another. After the election he extends his first blessing to the people -- a Benediction which was not given in the open for years until Pope Pius XI established the custom. The Coronation, one of the most magnificent of Vatican Ceremonies, takes place shortly after the election. With the Pope carried high in a golden chair and attended by brilliantly attired chamberlains and soldiers, the Coronation Mass is an unrivaled spectacle of beauty, dignity, and ancient pageantry. At the Coronation, in the midst of the pomp and splendor, a master of ceremonies recites in Latin: "Holy Father, thus does the glory of the world pass away."

As the first Cardinal Deacon places the three-crowned Tiara on the head of the Pope, he says: "Receive the three-crowned Tiara, and know that thou are the Father of Princes and Kings, the Pastor of the earth, and Vicar of Jesus Christ, to Whom be honor and glory forever. Amen." The CORONATION of Pope Pius XII took place on the balcony of St. Peter's in March 1939. (From the book "The Vatican and Holy Year" by Stephen S. Fenichell & Phillip Andrews -- 1950 edition. http://www.users.qwest.net/~slrorer/ReunionOfChristendom.htm)

Boniface VIII: “It is I who am Caesar; the Sovereign Pontiff is the only King of the Romans”, as he rode thru the city, carrying sword, globe and sceptre. (”Rome and its story”, p. 241 , by Welbore St. Clair Baddeley, Lina Duff Gordon)

648 posted on 04/09/2014 5:02:11 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Religion Moderator
We can see the problems that occur when we rely on secondhand information.

"I witnessed or experienced this..." is MUCH better than "I heard from somebody that this or that..."

649 posted on 04/09/2014 5:05:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98; Gamecock
you can do that make it reappear! awesome power!

Thanks; Gamecock!

650 posted on 04/09/2014 5:09:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Religion Moderator
LOL

What did I say about this levity???

651 posted on 04/09/2014 5:09:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
You can't PROVE that is WORSHIP instead of ADORATION!!

But GOD knows everyone's thoughts. They can't trick Him because He owns their very soul and He just may dispose of it if they aren't careful.

652 posted on 04/09/2014 5:10:56 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: LurkingSince'98
We can give it to a neutral party like Elsie to judge.

If I were the Mod (inside of Gamecock) I'd 'suggest' that you guys count to ten - no - TWENTY! - and get a grip.

Yes, you ALL have been wronged in some manner or another.

It's time to quit repaying each other for yesterdays slights.

Today is a new day; we CAN do better.

FACTS are our friends: opinions not so much.




Elsie the Great has SPOKEN!!!



653 posted on 04/09/2014 5:15:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums

Me, neither!

(Or is it ‘either’?)


654 posted on 04/09/2014 5:17:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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RB-X for all!


655 posted on 04/09/2014 5:18:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Karl Spooner; LurkingSince'98

I am sorry, I didn’t include LurkingSince’98 in that post..


656 posted on 04/09/2014 5:21:39 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: LurkingSince'98
... there are a lot of very smart protestant cookies on this forum I bet know that factoid.

If they do; then they are WRONG!

The King James Version (KJV), commonly known as the Authorized Version (AV) or King James Bible (KJB), is an English translation of the Christian Bible for the Church of England begun in 1604 and completed in 1611.[2] First printed by the King's Printer Robert Barker,[3][4] this was the third translation into English to be approved by the English Church authorities. The first was the Great Bible commissioned in the reign of King Henry VIII (1535),[5] and the second was the Bishops' Bible of 1568.[6] In January 1604, King James VI and I convened the Hampton Court Conference where a new English version was conceived in response to the perceived problems of the earlier translations as detected by the Puritans,[7] a faction within the Church of England.[8]

Facts are our friends


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version

657 posted on 04/09/2014 5:22:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums

Everyone who thinks mom was fractally right; raise their hand...



658 posted on 04/09/2014 5:27:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
I agree that the KJV was a subsequent translation of a translation; which initially started with King Henry.

With whom are you agreeing, here? That is a factually incorrect statement.

659 posted on 04/09/2014 5:27:54 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: boatbums

See what happens when ETG actually gets some sleep?

Others have to fill in for him in the middle of the darkness of night.


660 posted on 04/09/2014 5:28:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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