Pay No Attention to That Man Behind the Curtain! Catholic History and the Emerald City Protocol

reformation21 ^ | April 2012 | Carl Trueman

[Elsie]

I guess so...

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:invinciblyignorant/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

[Elsie]

Hard work INDEED!

Proverbs 26:4-5

4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you yourself will be just like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes.

At times; one needs a coin.

One with a FOUR one one side,
and a FIVE on the other.

[Elsie]

...Who was the whore of Babylon in the period between Josiah and Zerubbabel, since Rome DID NOT EXIST during that period.

Poor Losing_Since_'14 doesn't seem to understand the CONCEPT of PROPHECY.

[Elsie]

Poor Losing_Since_'14 doesn't seem to understand the FACT that when John was given the 'revelation' that BABYLON didn't exist; either!

Even a Camel wandering the desert knows this!

[Elsie]

Every Sunday and some weekdays when my family and I receive the Eucharist in fulfilling the following Scripture:

Yeah; Catholics do it like Jesus did...

NOT!

Except the once a year meal of rememberence somehow got CHANGED into a pale impersonization of a thing done anytime the church doors are open.

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1 Corinthians 11:25

In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

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Jesus knew EXACTLY how OFTEN this was; as did all the Disciples - once a year.

"CHURCH" has made it so common place it has lost the specialness of it.

[Elsie]

just imagine if they had computers and could cut and paste..

Says the Mocker that just posted HOW many lines of text from a source that had what kind of warning on it??

[Elsie]

Only the completely unschooled would claim the Catholic Church existed in the period defined in that Scripture.

The church of Rome claims it existed for a couple of hundred years, starting with Peter; yet none of the OTHER Scripture writers seems to have noticed that being the case.

[Elsie]

Catholics really don’t get it do they.

This one sure don't.

But HEY! - who cares; for he be fending off a whole lot of Protestants; all by himself!

Really ups the street cred; doncha know...

[BlueDragon]

all you need is a monk’s robe a quill and some vellum and you would be a primo copyist.

just imagine if they had computers and could cut and paste..

Cut and paste? It was you who by way of copy/past brought the outline of a "typical Mass" (wasn't that the way you put it, at one point?) with scripture references attributed.

Daniel has done his own extensive examination of those, showing just how sloppy the work of scripture attribution from your source really was/is.

Although dan may not have done in the last day or so all of his own work concerning the RC apologetic which you borrowed from http://www.wctc.net/~mudndirt/Scripture%20in%20mass.htm, we have here on these pages seen this particular fairly recently formulated (page info available at the link indicates -->Modified: Sunday, April 21, 2013 10:03:19 AM) counter-argument to the wider-based critical comparison of evangelical Christians and their own tendencies to be in general (as statistical info Alex Murphy supplied provides substantiation for) more dedicated to bible study than their Catholic counterparts, which is not exactly what the "contest" (who is exposed to the most scripture) as you seemed to have wished to define this apparently, Lucy-with-a football, c'mon Charlie I promise I won't move it again --this time, contest is or is likely to become.

And that's without even mentioning having a Jim Thompson come out of retirement & suit up, lacing on his own spike cleats just to referee a single quarter of school-boy ball game.

As for who is exposed to and actually soaks up more "scripture", mileage may vary as to individual compared to individual, reliant upon how much they themselves are paying attention, but in general, for a long time even among [Roman] Catholics themselves ---- if they were searching for more in-depth expositional preaching there were those (Catholics) who admitted that they could do well (better than typical RC Mass) visiting some on-fire (for the Lord) but mature Presbyterian, Baptist or Pentecostal preacher who really knew his bible, to better help in foundational understanding of just what the Gospel actually is. This better understanding could help them better understand what was being spoken of in their own church, also.

Speaking of quill and vellum, notice in the old broadsheet [below] how the quill in Luther's hand reaches all the way to Rome, passing through both ears of a lion stationed on guard there crouched atop the city, to then continue on reaching far enough to upset the pope's own hat. ha!

gotta' luv it. It's still like that, isn't it? And in our modern time, guys like daniel1212 well enough document his own rebuttals, including utilizing many sources from within [Roman] Catholicism, both formally 'official' and those otherwise well regarded amid apologetic circles, while Springfield Reformer brings well written and considered Amicus Curiae quality and qualified, professional-quality contributions also.

All of which means, that in wider regard of the proceedings here, Charlie Brown need not rely upon Lucy as place-holder as to your own proposition of wager. Lucy is not in the red zone, near to a scoring touchdown herself either, but what else has been occurring other than Lucy having drawn more than few penalty flags on her own "drive" to the opponent's end-zone as it were, there have been at least a few individuals who have picked up the ball and drop-kicked "it" not only aligned through the upright's at Lucy's own end of the field, but have punted the ball clear out the stadium, upon occasion.

I suggest the best Lucy can hope for is at this juncture it to simply accept the ball again on her own 20yrd line, and start over.

[Elsie]

No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6

And to get to ME; use the front door of your local Catholic church.

[Elsie]

... use the front door of your local Catholic church.

And once you're there; ask Mary to intercede for you.

[Elsie]

AMEN! indeed!

Did I mention that AFTER we finish out the bulletin I just posted; another congregation will enter or building for a SECOND service?

And they'll be singing songs in much the same manner as this gentleman!

The first service is made up mostly of us old timer white folks; the second by mostly black folks.

They had been meeting in a storefront church, and had been looking to get their own building, but times are rough in Indy, and finances shakey.

We found out about them and the idea to let them share OUR facilities was brought before the church board.

You can see the results.

We've been GREATLY enriched by the experience, and have now added a Hispanic service as well.

See y'all in Heaven!

[Elsie]

We non-Catholic Christians don't follow a set script and so sometimes we have so much rejoicing in a Service, it goes on and on and on...

YES!!

There is a REASON the black folks follow the white folks!!

[Elsie]

we do it because Christ told us to do it:

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Unless it's Mom or a Saint. They'll already be raised.

[Elsie]

There - right there Christ own words repeated FOUR TIMES directly contradict your claim “Don’t eat blood” (sic)

And yet, none in His audience jumped up and bit Him on the neck.

[metmom]

You only get to do it ONCE, we get to eat the ‘Flesh of the Son of Man’ as often as daily, and we do it because Christ told us to do it:

If eating Jesus is enough, once is enough.

There should be no reason to repeat it daily.

Christ dwells in my heart by faith. He doesn't live in my digestive track until He's eliminated.

Besides, Jesus in that passage, also tells us that it is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh is no help at all.

SO which is it that gives life? The Spirit, or eating flesh and blood, which is expressly forbidden throughout Scripture?

John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

Ephesians 3:14-19 For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in your inner being,so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may have strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

[BlueDragon]

I just got done telling you that infallibility and inspiration are also two different things.

Who's hysterical now?

You did no "telling" as to the differences, until in fact it was much the opposite, with dan having shown you how the difference is defined, with himself using RC source to do it.

What you subjected us all to, to the contrary, prior to all of that, began with your usage of the term "dictated", then when challenged concerning that dictated made excuse for doing so by terming it "language of Art" (with a little mini-lecture thrown in as to how I should let pre-18th century "Catholic art" "speak to me") from which you went to "useful idiom" while also taking a swing at "inspired" with this still speaking in regards to writings of "prelates and doctors", from which you corrected yourself a slight amount by dropping off "prelate" when referring to these persons who's writings you maintained were still "inspired" even as you went back to saying also that you were ok with dictating.

Yes...I took note of that. I was pinged to it all, by your very own self.

[CynicalBear]

>>This is another case of a protestant YOPIOS ‘Your Own Personal Interpretation Of Scripture’ which DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS CHRIST and goes completely off the Scriptural rails.<<

The carnal mind of the Catholic doesn’t understand what scripture actually says. True believers eat the word of God just as scripture says.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

1 Corinthians 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Ezek 3:1 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this scroll, and go speak unto the house of Israel. 2 So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that scroll. 3 And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.

Jer 15:16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

Revelation 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

Catholics must have a hard time with these if they insist on eating Jesus body.

Ephesians 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Ephesians 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

[CynicalBear]

Truly the carnal mind cannot understand the things of the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:14 and the natural man doth not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for to him they are foolishness, and he is not able to know them, because spiritually they are discerned;

[LurkingSince'98]

“If eating Jesus is enough, once is enough. There should be no reason to repeat it daily.”

Inane response, we receive Him in the Eucharist as often as we can because He told us to eat Him and He didn’t say to do it once.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him” (John 6:53–56).

For the Greater Glory of God