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To: quadrant

RE: The Pope may be the most saintly man electable...”
That’s not the basis of infallibility. The basis is the Rock he stands on, Jesus Christ. The LORD promised the gates of hell could not prevail, not against a man, but against Christ. So, no, I don’t trust any man myself. I DO trust Christ.

Secondly, you had no problem with women’s ordination, because you didn’t find a prohibition in the Bible? You weren’t as careful as you thought! Jesus did not allow women to act in clerical roles at any time. As a woman, I am not insulted by that. Women think and act differently than men, especially in leadership roles. Also, take it from me, men do NOT listen well to women! You are right that it isn’t sinful to be a woman, nor do all women always do poorly in all leadership roles. (Maggie Thatcher and other excellent female leaders come to mind, but they are rare, even in the political domain.) However, it is sinful to assume a vocation one is not called to. One cannot be a priest if one is not called. They who are not called, but attempt it anyway will not be standing on the Rock, and will collapse like a house built on sand.


202 posted on 04/01/2014 3:59:59 PM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Missouri gal
The basis is the Rock he stands on, Jesus Christ.


Matthew 16:16-17
 
 16.  Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,  the Son of the living God."
 17.  Jesus replied, "
Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for THIS was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
 18.  And I tell you that you are Peter, and on THIS rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

206 posted on 04/01/2014 4:22:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Missouri gal
I never wrote that saintliness was a prerequisite for papal election, but that it may be one of the qualities possessed by the man elected.

Again, Jesus may not have allowed women to act in a clerical role but neither did He forbid it.

Of course, women act and think differently from men, but I view that as a positive and not a negative.

Perhaps the men you've known do not listen women, but if so they are the poorer for it; personally, I've known women to whom I listen to without hesitation and men whose opinions I wouldn't waste a nanosecond on - and, of course, the reverse is true.

Of course, one should not assume a leadership position if not called to it. But who decides who is called and who isn't? Is this an institutional question that should be decided categorically or an individual one?
Time will tell whether one has been called by the Holy Spirit or by vanity or some other reason.

211 posted on 04/01/2014 7:58:26 PM PDT by quadrant (1o)
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