Posted on 03/31/2014 7:35:15 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
A.) When the vote was taken on July 1870, at the First Vatican Council, with 433 votes in favour (placet) and only 2 against (non placet) against defining as dogma the infallibility of the pope when speaking ex cathedra, did those Bishops possess infallibility when (or at least only when) voting? Did any of them keep this infallibility (did it remain with all of them or any of them) after they left and returned home? Did any of these Bishops possess any infallibility at anytime before the vote was cast?
B.) Was Mary's (the Mother of Jesus) mother immaculately conceived as Mary was? Was Mary's grandmother immaculately conceived, too? If so, was there near-infinite regression of these immaculate conceptions? If so, how far back did these immaculate conceptions go? If they did not go back farther than two, why were only two and not say three or four immaculate conceptions needed?
C.) When the Apostle Paul confronted Peter (when Peter was being hypocritical concerning his eating with Jews and Gentiles), did the Apostle Paul possess infallibility when stating that Gentiles did NOT have to be circumcised as a requisite for being a Christian? If so, how many other Apostles possessed infallibility in their actions that were later recorded in the Book of Acts?
D.) During the time of the Western Great Schism of 1378, if papal infallibility was in existence at that time (and only later just codified), how could any person who was not one of the two Popes infallibly know (if they did not possess any measure of infallibility) which POpe was legitimate until this was later worked out? What about that period of time? Were people left "twisting in the wind?"
I think your point is to be argumentative, unnecessarily so. As it is a fact that there are certainly thousands of churches that are NOT the Latin Rite Catholic Church or even aligned with Rome. So how many ‘Christian’ churches are there? Show us your exactitude. Do you include the Mormons and their dozens of schisms. The Mormons certainly call themselves Christian.
My only point is that if you do not want to follow or believe in what the Roman Catholic Church teaches chose another church. There are certainly many to chose from. The exact number is irrelevant.
There is absolutely no backpedalling. Regardless if there are thousands or tens of thousands. There are certainly plenty of churches that claim to be ‘Christian’ Hell, if you don’t find one you like, start your own church. Luther did, Henry VII did, Joe Smith did, L. Ron Hubbard did.
What’s wrong with it?
Nothing.
What’s wrong with a priest being married, especially since God allows for this to be the case?
Nothing.
There are married priests now. The Church has admitted many former Anglican priests that have sought to align with Rome many of them where married and continue to be married. The Church has allowed married priests in the past and may do so in the future.
The Church has never claimed that celibate Priests is a matter of Faith and Morals. No Pope has never spoken Ex Cathedra as to celibate priests.
WHAT????? Are you saying that Jesus was married and fathered children? That sure seems like that is what you are saying. I read it 4 times.
No. I am saying the exact opposite. Jesus was not married. Jesus did not father children.
One of my Lay Dominican Homies is a Ukrainian Catholic. Every Lent he teases me because we give up the A-word and they don’t. And they have married priests, I believe.
And 2,999 to 7,999 Catholics did, too, yet Catholics still claim to have only one church. That is, if we're supposed to believe your sources.
They can call themselves anything they want. It doesn’t make it so.
No one wants to consider what the miracle of birth does to a woman. She might have been a virgin at conception. But let’s be real...there was some stretching done during the birthing process.
The whole lifelong virgin thing becomes moot when you’ve given birth.
I just don't even respond to their posts.
Ok. So you can buy that the infinite God becomes man and dwells among us, but you ball at the idea of an intact hymen?
And you do know that it is not the hymen that defines the virgin, right? It’s the lack of sex.
Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.
You mean adultery? ;-)
23 particular churches all united in one faith under one leader.
That is what “catholic” means.
What definition are you using?
Interesting logic. Sodomites bash Catholics, and since people here on this thread (according to you) bash Catholics, they must be sodomites. What brilliant logic./s
Using your "logic": The Pope and Roman Catholic Church oppose sodomite "marriage." The Westboro "Baptist" "Church" opposes sodomite marriage, therefore Fred Phelps must be the Roman Catholic Pope and Westboro must be the Catholic church.
What's your own point, then? Anyone can claim there are tens of thousands, or even just one single church, and it "doesn't make it so". Catholics claim both with such disparity even from hour to hour, that they demonstrate that it's impossible for Catholics to be "one" and yet have so many disparate beliefs over this single question. Tracking Catholic-provided numbers of "Christian denominations" is an exercise in hilarity.
Doesn't matter what definition I was using. What matters is what definition the Catholic-quoted source used in claims of "35,000 Christian denominations", why matching claims of 3,000 and 8,000 are given for Catholics by the same source using the same definition, and the implications of those numbers when applied to Catholics.
LOL! Nah, you can say THAT during Lent ...
Not talking about Anglican priests sneaking in the back door either.
The average Papist even know that the average parish priest isn't going to get married because the church frowns upon doing so.
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