Posted on 03/18/2014 2:59:30 PM PDT by markomalley
But the amount of red font that is necessary to fully explain that is very troubling. And I don't know that it's so troubling for the words that Francis, himself, uses...but because we all *know* how those words are going to be twisted.
Bergoglio: Who am I to judge?
The Bible:
“But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.”
IBTPBAF
Matthew 7
1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Let me guess, I'm taking it out of context, right?
post #4. What are your thoughts on that Biblical passage?
(I ask you that seriously, as I have no idea what Presbyterians or other Calvinists believe regarding that passage)
If you can respond to post #6 as well, I’d appreciate it.
I’m not Catholic, and I haven’t been too excited about this Pope, but in this case, I don’t see anything that’s unBiblical.
The one you quoted or the ones in the Popes homily?
I’ll take a piece of that action. It means that IF you judge to do so righteously and in the same measure you would wish to be judged yourself. People judge all the time. We have to for survival. I don’t go to the wrong part of town at 2:00 AM in the morning. I may be called upon to do jury duty. I will judge according to what I would wish the jury would accord me if I were a defendant. Jesus judged the Pharisees and so rightly. We can claim that same power to decry sin as long as we are not guilty of the same/worse.
Sorry, I missed reading the part about post 4.
I’m cooking some of my fab spaghetti sauce, I get back to answer that in a couple hours.
All you did was quote the passage, so I have no idea how you mean it. But I will say this, most people take it out of context. It is always amusing to watch God-hating reprobates make a little fig leaf apron of that passage.
Christians are to judge all things by the Word.
Yup exactly... Pappa says a very Biblical thing and gets attacked for having done so.... go figure.....
“I think what the Holy Father is merely expounding upon the concept of removing the log in your own eye before commenting on the speck in another person’s eye.”
He without sin,,bla bla bla. We can’t comment, criticize
or complain about the homosexual agenda in the church because
we ourselves are not without sin. Nor can we criticize this
enabling pope for the same reason. Yep that’s pretzel time.
Sounds like a justice Roberts finding. Folks are going to great
extremes to protect this popes big dumb mouth.
Very true.
But the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ also said the following as well in reference to judging:
“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”-John 7:24
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+7%3A24&version=NKJV
"Judging" aint a problem for me. I'm going to heaven. Guaranteed.
Has this pope considered a TelePrompTer?
1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Note that we are to take the beam out of our eye first. We are to call sin sin, but not judge others if we are struggling with the same sin. For instance if I struggle with lust, I shouldn't say something to someone else who is doing the same.
But then the question is what does judge mean? Condemn? Discern?
One of the principles of understanding Scripture, from the Reformed view anyway, it to let Scripture interpret Scripture. It seems the below does a pretty good job of explaining the above. Helps me to quit worrying about what the lost folks who are not Christians are doing.
1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
I have decided to start reminding people who say that we should not judge that, while that is correct, we do have an obligation to teach.
We don’t help any soul get closer to Christ unless we speak up about what the sin in question is, why it is hurtful, and toward whom, and why repentance is possible, necessary and beneficial. Jesus told the adulterer that he did not stone to go forward and not sin any more. If we drop the stones and say nothing, we are only doing half of what Jesus did.
We are called to "judge", but not as a HYPOCRITE.
This passage says it all. Just like the woman who was to be stoned for adultery.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
So the oldest people walked away first, because they had committed the very same sin as the adultress, and countless others.
But remember the final words: "Go and sin no more".
Jesus didn't pat the woman on the head and say: "You're cool, keep on doing what you've been doing!"
I'm sorry, but this Pope is driving me crazy.
He doesn't seem to "get" that he's appearing VERY wishy-washy when it comes to sin.
And in before I get bashed, I'm a Catholic.
But this guy is really not speaking clearly enough.
No, EVERYTHING is NOT OK.
"Who am I to judge?" sounds awesome to liberal ears.
He sounds ridiculous when he makes such statements.
I'm done trying to defend "mistranslations" or "nuances".
Other Popes didn't seem to have this problem.
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