“OK, I admit poor choice of words, however you declared those whoa re not ROMAN Catholic as non-believers in the Gospel, which in effect makes them not Christians.”
False. I am not “ROMAN Catholic”. I am just Catholic. Also, not believing in the true gospel does not “in effect makes [Protestants] not Christians.”
“Excuse me? How can believing in a false gospel make you a Christian.”
I never said it did. I said BELIEVING IN CHRIST AND BEING BAPTIZED did. I suggest you spend more time actually reading what I post rather than making things up out of thin air.
“A believer in a FALSE gospel makes a person a FALSE Christian, in effect making him non-Christian.”
Nope. Believing in a false gospel makes someone a heretic. Believing in Christ and being baptized makes you a Christian.
“Patrick is a SAINT as in saint -— a person acknowledged as holy or virtuous and typically regarded as being in heaven after death. You don’t have to be ROMAN Catholic to believe that.”
No, but St. Patrick was Catholic. To pretend otherwise is intellectually dishonest.
“Also, Patrick was NEVER canonized officially by the ROMAN Catholic church.”
He didn’t have to be. He was canonized by acclamation. That was common in his time.
“St. Patrick died around 461 A.D. The first saint formally canonized by the pope—for which we have a record, anyway—was St. Ulrich, bishop of Augsburg, Germany, in the year 993.”
So? As I said, St. Patrick was canonized by acclamation. That was all that was needed.
“Nope, since I don’t want to misunderstand you, or misquote you, want YOU to explain to us what your idea of the gospel is, then we’ll continue from there.”
R-I-G-H-T. You’ve already admitted one error (”OK, I admit poor choice of words”) and you’ve committed more. I never said “those whoa re not ROMAN Catholic [are] non-believers in the Gospel”. So, even when I write very clearly - and that’s all the time - you can’t help but “misunderstand” and “misquote” me. That won’t change no matter what I do so I see no reason to do what you want. I will post what I want, when I want, where I want and how I want - within the rules of the board. And there’s nothing you can do about it. Get used to it.
“That is why I ask the question. The question is not addressed to others but to YOU individually.”
I know. And I’m still going to ignore it. My reason is simple: I see you are already completely inventing out of whole cloth things I’ve never said or believed.
“So yes, please explain to us what the gospel is according to your understanding, and then we’ll see whether or not men like James Kennedy believe in it or not.”
Nope. I will merely continue to post what I want, when I want, where I want, and how I want - within the rules of the board. Based on your misrepresentations of what I’ve said already I have no reason to believe you will get any better.
Is there a reason that you are having a difficult time telling us what exactly you do believe the Gospel to be? I have never met a Christian who would not relish the chance to share the “Good News”. I am not accepting the thought that maybe you are too shy or too stubborn to tell us what you do believe. I think there is another reason .....possibly one which you have little control over. Prove me wrong!
Best post of the day.
RE: False. I am not “ROMAN Catholic”. I am just Catholic.
Well, in which case, welcome to the club... I am a member of the catholic ( i.e. UNIVERSAL ) church too.
As for not being ROMAN catholic, I’ll have to determine that from the ensuing statements that you make.
RE: I never said it did. I said BELIEVING IN CHRIST AND BEING BAPTIZED did. I suggest you spend more time actually reading what I post rather than making things up out of thin air.
Well, if BELIEVING IN CHRIST AND BEING BAPTIZED makes one a Christian, then James Kennedy IS Christian. He has DONE BOTH.
RE: Nope. Believing in a false gospel makes someone a heretic. Believing in Christ and being baptized makes you a Christian.
Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. You MUST believe in the TRUE gospel to be a true Christian.
Gnosticism was considered a heresy (Ireneaus fought against it in his work AGAINST HERESIES).
The Gnostics laid claim to Jesus as a great teacher of theirs.
Here is what the apostle John said against this belief masking as being Christians:
(1 John 2: 18-20 )
“Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.”
The danger of gnosticism is easily apparent. It denies the incarnation of God as the Son. In so doing, it denies the true efficacy of the atonement since, if Jesus is not God, He could not atone for all of mankind; and we would still be lost in our sins. Yet, they claim to be followers of Jesus Christ.
So, based on what the apostle John wrote, being a heretic does NOT make one a Christian. They DO NOT BELONG to Christ.
RE: No, but St. Patrick was Catholic. To pretend otherwise is intellectually dishonest.
Nope, Patrick was catholic in the sense that he was a member of the UNIVERSAL ( catholic ) church in the sense that he preached the orthodox, scriptural Christian faith.
Anybody who confesses to Patrick’s faith IS a member of the catholic (universal) church.
RE: He didn’t have to be. He was canonized by acclamation. That was common in his time.
Well in this case, any faithful Christian who faithfully preaches the gospel and lives for Christ is by virtue of his faith, a saint, canonized by acclamation ( whether the Roman Catholic church officially canonizes him or not ).
RE: So? As I said, St. Patrick was canonized by acclamation. That was all that was needed.
Well if so, then I repeat -— any faithful Christian who faithfully preaches the gospel and lives for Christ is by virtue of his faith, a saint, canonized by acclamation ( whether the Roman Catholic church officially canonizes him or not ).
RE: R-I-G-H-T. You’ve already admitted one error (”OK, I admit poor choice of words”)
When one chooses words poorly, one admits it. That does not necessarily mean that other things one says is in error as well.
RE: I never said “those whoa re not ROMAN Catholic [are] non-believers in the Gospel”.
But you said James Kennedy ( a none Roman Catholic ) did not believe in the gospel. It was there in your post above.
RE: So, even when I write very clearly - and that’s all the time - you can’t help but “misunderstand” and “misquote” me.
Again, why is James Kennedy not a believer in the gospel?
I’ve asked you this several times, I’m still waiting for an answer...
RE: I know. And I’m still going to ignore it. My reason is simple: I see you are already completely inventing out of whole cloth things I’ve never said or believed.
Again, I am asking you for you to CLARIFY what you mean by the term “Not believe in the gospel”.
So, I’m still waiting.... why are you ignoring my attempt at seeking clarification?
RE: Nope. I will merely continue to post what I want, when I want, where I want, and how I want - within the rules of the board. Based on your misrepresentations of what.
Well, I guess based on the above response you are making, your statement that “James Kennedy does not believe in the gospel” is just that, a personal belief no one can take seriously.