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To: laweeks
Mark 1:17 Example: KJV: And Jesus said to them, "Follow Me, and I will make you become fishers of men." NIV & NLT: "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will send you out to fish for people." I will not budge for men-hating language. "Men" is quite clear.

We believe that the man is supposed to be the spiritual leader and that women have biblically stepped up when men failed, si understand what you are saying.

I'm not convinced that the NIV translation was designed to de-masculize the topic though. I grew up when proper English would use phrases like when a person does such and such, HE blah blah blah.... Even though the word 'he" was used , and it is masculine, it still encompassed either men or women. Did Jesus only mean males when He used the word "men", or was he talking about reaching ALL souls?

36 posted on 03/14/2014 9:56:04 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb
Did Jesus only mean males when He used the word "men

C'mon now. The word "men" is nothing to be ashamed of as it used to be acceptable as a pronoun to include both genders. We all knew that . . . that is until the feminatzis started to destroy our language and meanings.

39 posted on 03/14/2014 10:00:50 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: trebb

My NIV has “fishers of men”. 1985 edition


55 posted on 03/14/2014 10:22:47 AM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement!)
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To: trebb; laweeks

Until feminism started its rot, “men” often meant “humans”.


75 posted on 03/14/2014 12:14:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: trebb

In Genesis it says in Ch 1: vs 27 NIV translation from the original Greek and Hebrew:

“So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.”

So in that context ‘man’ means both sexes; male and female equally.

The man is the spiritual leader in marriage, and Jesus is the head of the man, and man is the head of the woman....

However, the person you copied and replied to did not quote the NIV for Mark 1:17 correctly as it says “Come follow me” Jesus said “and I will make you fishers of men.” in NIV.


117 posted on 03/15/2014 6:59:05 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: trebb

My take is “man” and “men” in the big picture means “Mankind.” So both male and female.


120 posted on 03/15/2014 10:15:17 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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