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To: CynicalBear
The New Testament was written in Greek not Hebrew.

Fine - All you have to do is explain how those Hebrew and Aramaic puns came to be hidden beneath the Greek text. That's all it takes... Otherwise your declarations are meaningless.

In addition. We speak English not Hebrew.

Right, so next time you meet a Mexican named Miguel, call him Mike, and be sure to tell him he has no right to be offended... because we speak English around here.

If you want to play the sacred name game don’t try to force it on others.

Read upthread

The bare FACT of the matter is that His name is undoubtedly YESHUA, as your own proofs admit. The one who is offended, and the one who is 'forcing', is the one insisting upon the Greek transliteration instead of the name it was transliterated from... The very height of absurdity. You want to call him Jesus, knock yerself out.

If those who ascribe to the sacred name cult want to be consistent and not hypocrites they had better stop referring to (hard J) Jerusalem, the (hard J) book of John, the (hard J) Jews, the land of (hard J) Judah and all begin to speak Hebrew.

Fine, if you want me to bump it up a notch, I surely can.

40 posted on 03/13/2014 3:42:48 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
>> Fine - All you have to do is explain how those Hebrew and Aramaic puns came to be hidden beneath the Greek text.<<

No, I don’t have to. It’s not difficult to understand that Jesus spoke mostly Aramaic and of course Hebrew especially when in the synagogue. The lingua franca of those days was Greek and the New Testament was written in Greek to relate to the masses. Talk to any translator and you will find that word puns can not be translated most of the time. That doesn’t mean the Matthew we first written in Hebrew it simply means that Matthew was writing what Jesus said and quotes from the Hebrew Old Testement in Greek so had to translate from Hebrew to Greek which caused the puns to remain. It’s a rather simply consept to understand really.

We know that Matthew was a Jew, it’s not difficult to understand that there are non common Greek words in his gospel. That does not by any means indicate he wrote his gospel first in Hebrew. We can find the same thing happening today with people from other countries who imigrated to the US who now write in English but still will use their original speech patterns which are foreign to us.

Another consideration is the historical evidence ot the Greek manuscripts that have survived while no Hebrew manuscripts are in existence. Surely the Shem Tov can’t be considered authentic.

Those who promote the sacred name movement put their understanding in a few Hebrew Rabbis who do not believe that Jesus is the messiah who promote the Hebrew. I’ll put my trust in God who used faithfull Christians who copied the 24,000 Greek manuscripts.

>> Right, so next time you meet a Mexican named Miguel, call him Mike, and be sure to tell him he has no right to be offended... because we speak English around here.<<

As a matter of fact I have done that very thing. In America we speak English. Want to do business with me. Speak English.

>> The one who is offended, and the one who is 'forcing', is the one insisting upon the Greek transliteration instead of the name it was transliterated from...<<

The day you can produce the Hebrew manuscripts that are older then the thousands we have in Greek we can talk.

>> Fine, if you want me to bump it up a notch, I surely can.<<

Go for it. Just keep it amongst the cult.

41 posted on 03/13/2014 4:49:55 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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