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Answering Protestants ^ | 7 March 2014 | Matthew Olson

Posted on 03/07/2014 10:14:06 AM PST by matthewrobertolson

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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
The argument is just a silly anti-Catholic canard, like “call no man father.” Most proponents of this objection seem to be unaware of the fact that they call their own fathers, “father,” and that Jesus also tells us to “call no man teacher.” Clearly Jesus is using hyperbole to make a point.

No, he's not using hyperbole.

In the context in which Jesus is speaking, He is telling others not to call RELIGIOUS leaders *father* or *teacher*, which is clearly what Catholicism violates.

161 posted on 03/08/2014 10:15:16 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

True man and true God = Jesus

Truly human and truly divine = Jesus

Mary was the mother of both natures of Christ! *With the help of the Holy Spirit, of course!*


162 posted on 03/08/2014 10:19:43 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: metmom

You need to read about Arianism which you are espousing.

God is fully God while also being fully Man.

As a part of mankind he was developed in His Mothers womb for nine months and she then gave birth and nursed her Son.

Mary was Jesus human Mother therefore she can be properly called “The Mother of God”.

To not be able to call her that would be to deny His humanity thus you would be guilty of the Arian heresy.

AMDG


163 posted on 03/08/2014 10:21:15 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: metmom

I believe it would be wise for you to speak with a knowledgable minister or spiritual director.

You are sincerely misunderstanding Jesus Dual God - Man nature, and last I heard Protestants don’t believe in Arianism.

You need some help there.

AMDG


164 posted on 03/08/2014 10:27:15 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: LurkingSince'98
Mary was Jesus human Mother therefore she can be properly called “The Mother of God”.

Oh? You're saying that the second person of the Godhead is a created being? Really? Isn't that some kind of heresy or other?

Or are you saying the Holy Spirit got it wrong when He breathed out *mother of Jesus* in Scripture?

Or perhaps, since Catholics like to take credit for the Catholic church writing the Bible, the Catholic church got it wrong initially by calling Mary *the mother of Jesus*.

What else did they get wrong then?

165 posted on 03/08/2014 10:33:22 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: LurkingSince'98
You are sincerely misunderstanding Jesus Dual God - Man nature, and last I heard Protestants don’t believe in Arianism.

I don't think you have a clue what I get or don't get.

It appears that you fail to see the error that calling Mary *mother of God* can lead to.

Renaming Mary in an attempt to correct doctrine about the nature of Jesus is two things. One - a pretty poor excuse for the action and two - an epic fail at its best.

It makes God and Jesus created beings and elevates Mary above the Godhead.

People who did not have the knowledge to not make mistakes about who Jesus was, are not going to get it right by renaming Mary.

The focus then is totally on the wrong person and the wrong issue.

If the issue is the nature of Christ, it's not going to be fixed by putting the attention on Mary.

166 posted on 03/08/2014 10:38:52 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Salvation; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; CynicalBear; ...
Mary was the mother of both natures of Christ! *With the help of the Holy Spirit, of course!*

Well, there you have it.

Mary was the mother of the deity of Christ, the mother of the second person of the Godhead, making Jesus a created being.

And that makes her deity as well.

167 posted on 03/08/2014 10:41:19 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: LurkingSince'98
Mary was Jesus human Mother therefore she can be properly called “The Mother of God”.

To not be able to call her that would be to deny His humanity thus you would be guilty of the Arian heresy.

Calling her *Mother of GOD* denies the humanity of Jesus.

168 posted on 03/08/2014 10:43:01 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

Arian Heresy.

Actually you are demonstrating your obstinacy by you unwillingness to look into a YOUR OWN ERRORS.

AMDG


169 posted on 03/08/2014 10:44:27 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: LurkingSince'98

MY errors?

Like what?

Agreeing with the Holy Spirit in what we should call Mary?


170 posted on 03/08/2014 10:47:26 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

-— Agreeing with the Holy Spirit in what we should call Mary? -—

Full of grace?


171 posted on 03/08/2014 10:52:33 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: metmom

While your looking up Arian Heresy you should try looking up ‘vincible ignorance’ and ‘the unforgivable sin’.

I am afraid you are really lost.

Goodnight .


172 posted on 03/08/2014 10:54:55 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: matthewrobertolson
Only trusting the Bible without the Church would be like loving "Romeo & Juliet" and hating Shakespeare's explanation of it.

What an absolutely goofy thing to say! Did you think of that all by yourself?

Once you begin to grasp that the "church" is the body of believers and not some hierarchical organization headquartered in royal palaces in Rome wearing scarlet and white satin robes and fish hats, seated on gilded thrones, you just might get it that you CAN trust in the Bible without the "church" telling you what it all means. You see, that is what the Holy Spirit does with every heart earnestly seeking to know the truth!

173 posted on 03/08/2014 10:58:36 PM PST by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: Salvation; knarf
The Bible has the account of Christ founding the church on his apostles. Doesn’t your Bible have that?

No, it doesn't. It says that Christ founded His church, His called-out body of believers, upon the truth of the gospel preached THROUGH the Apostles and disciples, not ON them. That is probably the primary error of Roman Catholicism on which the rest of her errors proceed.

174 posted on 03/08/2014 11:04:31 PM PST by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: Gamecock

Good point!


175 posted on 03/08/2014 11:05:59 PM PST by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: LurkingSince'98; metmom

OH, KNOCK IT OFF!

This ridiculous heretic hunting that FRomans indulge themselves in is sickening.

Before running around and accusing people of Arianism, let's take a look at what the "Arian" controversy was about. How about HERE for starters----

Arianism a Christian heresy first proposed early in the 4th century by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius. It affirmed that Christ is not truly divine but a created being. Arius’ basic premise was the uniqueness of God, who is alone self-existent and immutable; the Son, who is not self-existent, cannot be God. Because the Godhead is unique, it cannot be shared or communicated, so the Son cannot be God. Because the Godhead is immutable, the Son, who is mutable, being represented in the Gospels as subject to growth and change, cannot be God. The Son must, therefore, be deemed a creature who has been called into existence out of nothing and has had a beginning. Moreover, the Son can have no direct knowledge of the Father since the Son is finite and of a different order of existence.

No did metmom say anything of the sort? YES or NO?

Answer the question, or shut up!

176 posted on 03/08/2014 11:13:50 PM PST by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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To: unlearner

Excellent points!


177 posted on 03/08/2014 11:17:13 PM PST by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: NKP_Vet
There's ten different brick-n-mortar Catholic churches in my city. Which one would YOU go to in order to resolve an issue between your brother and you? Here's a clue...you'd go to the LOCAL church you both attend and the pastor and elders will help you resolve your differences. What...you think everyone had to trot over to ROME to get local issues resolved?

And Jesus said, "Upon this rock I build my church", because HE is that rock!

178 posted on 03/08/2014 11:27:59 PM PST by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: boatbums
It says that Christ founded His church, His called-out body of believers, upon the truth of the gospel preached THROUGH the Apostles and disciples, not ON them. That is probably the primary error of Roman Catholicism on which the rest of her errors proceed.

Well stated. How can it be refuted?

More than few ECF's (early church fathers, as Schaff termed those notables) agree.

179 posted on 03/08/2014 11:30:46 PM PST by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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To: BlueDragon
Thank you. These Saturday night fight threads are getting more and more predictable, aren't they?

Hope you are well. Have a blessed Sunday.

180 posted on 03/08/2014 11:38:20 PM PST by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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