REALLY, CATHOLICS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE POPE'S INTERVIEW?

Southern Orders ^ | March 6, 2014 | Fr. Allan J. McDonald

[NYer]

It continues to amaze me how some Catholics (not all) and usually supposedly traditional Catholics, continue to nitpick what Pope Francis says and are as manipulative of what he says as the progressive media that does the same thing.

This is what the Pope said about true marriage and civil unions yestersday:

Marriage is between a man and a woman. Secular states want to justify civil unions to regulate different situations of cohabitation, pushed by the demand to regulate economic aspects between persons, such as ensuring health care. It is about pacts of cohabitating of various natures, of which I wouldn’t know how to list the different ways. One needs to see the different cases and evaluate them in their variety.

MY COMMENTS:

First the Holy Father makes clear that marriage is between a man and woman! Duh! But he knows the question is posed to him because there is great confusion in society today from those who are trying to redefine that which is already definitively defined and cannot be changed.

Then he says that secular states want to justify civil unions to regulate different situations of cohabitation, pushed by the demand to regulate economic aspects between persons, such as ensuring health care. (And yes, this is part of the states responsibility, but this is far from the Pope endorsing cohabitation in the sense of a sexual relationship. And he acknowledges that there are many forms of cohabitation--a single son with an elderly mother and he cares for as a son cares for a mother. Can cohabitation have the same civil protection economically in terms of health benefits, social security and the like? It is not a sexual union or cohabitation.)

Keep in mind, that the Church is opposed to legal divorce. In Italy the Church fought tooth and nail to prevent legal divorces. Was this good? My Italian mother and Canadian father, both conservative Catholics told me no!

The problem in Italy prior the the Council was that men would leave their wives and children and cohabitate with another woman. He became a deadbeat dad, did not support his wife or children because the legal aspects of the separation had not been addressed in a court of law for the protection of persons, children and property.

Civil divorce protects the parties who are divorcing and their children and possessions. It is the duty of the state to do this and enforce it. Not the Church.  The Church can only state that the civil union of divorced and remarried Catholics is not recognized by the  Church and that the initial marriage is the valid one until proven otherwise in an ecclesiastical court of law. 

So the Church, in terms of divorce and remarried couples, acknowledges today (not in the past) the need for civil unions to be regulated by the state to protect people and their civil rights. The Church does not acknowledge these civil unions as marriage and in fact says there is a public sin involved which prevents these couples from receiving Holy Communion if the union is sexual in nature, rather than fraternal.

[metmom]

What ought to happen is the scene from the Raiders of the Lost Ark when the guy drank out of the wrong chalice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DGFuHC75aY

If the RCC isn't going to do it, God should.

[metmom]

First off it is Francis as a minimum and his proper Title is Pope Francis.

Ooooo......

We're shaking in our boots because someone took a tough tone.

Not......

She is caught in an error refuses to admit it, changes the subject, and you all rush to her defense.

There was no error.

If you think there was, point it out.

If you don't we can dismiss your rantings on this thread as nothing more than the hot air we already know them to be.

[metmom]

That’d be news to May Jo....

And Kennedy still got communion and a Catholic funeral.

The RCC won’t ex-communicate anyone for anything except accepting Christ and promoting Scripture, like they did with Luther.

[metmom]

LOL!!!

Just don’t tell them you have them.

Anyone who turns in a jar full of rare gold coins is an idiot.

[xone]

You can always give up FR and the internet for Lent.

From whence will the daily spam come then massa?

[xone]

She and all of you can send me your gold fillings/crowns. I promise to keep them from the IRSS .

[metmom]

LOL!!

I’m sure your would, but you’re not getting them.

[xone]

but you’re not getting them.

Next FReepathon?

[Gamecock]

Really? Have you ever failed to use a proper title, perhaps even used a less than flattering name for someone in high office?

[metmom]

No, no, no. You don’t get it.

It’s *Do as I say, not as I do*.

Catholicism in a nutshell.

[Gamecock]

Hate HTML on my smart phone. LINKY

[piusv]

It probably bothers Catholics more that Kerry's using his own hands to consume the wafer, rather than the more obvious fact that Kerry received the wafer at all.

That's not fair. I think that most, if not all, of the Catholics on FR (despite their other differences) tend to agree with the fact that the bigger issue is the fact that he is receiving communion at all.

[verga]

It was an accusing question.

[verga]

I would be impressed if this came from a Christian, but seeing as you are not one....

[metmom]

Dream on.

It’s a shame when someone is always looking for an offense.

Catholicism, the Church of the Perpetually Offended......

[verga]

Telling the truth to protestants: Matthew 7:6.

[metmom]

Catholicism, a works and tradition based religious system, is the modern day equivalent of the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus’ day.

The Pharisees didn’t like Jesus either, but that’s the typical reaction of religious folks to the truth.

It’s not surprising,therefore, that Catholics react the same way to the truth.

[verga]

I will continue to pray that Jesus comes into your heart and shows you the truth. I pity you more than you can possibly know.

Feel free to have the last hissy fit. I know how important that is to someone with your issues.

[metmom]

You're late to the party by about 35 years. Christ has been living in my heart for a long time now.

Physician, heal thyself.

I'm good to go. Worry about yourself.

Galatians 2:19-20 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

2 Timothy 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing.