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To: af_vet_1981
>>>>Preterism seems a very morbid doctrine.<<<

I don't know everything about preterism, but one thing I am fairly certain of is, they do not believe such morbid things as the world being destroyed. It takes a very morbid mind to believe that, considering all the scripture pointing in the opposite direction, beginning with John 3:17:

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." (John 3:17)

>>>Its focus is the judgment on the Jews and the destruction of Jersualem.<<<

That takes a lot of the heat off of us. What is morbid about that? That places all general (national) judgements in the past. Futurism is the truly morbid doctrine: from their literal interpretations of "all green grass is burnt up," to a "third part of men slain," to the "great tribulation" which they miraculously escape from!

>>>It leaves the Gentile churches abandoned and falling into error since they did not understand the Scriptures and lost the core leadership of the early Church when the the Jewish believers were gathered and raptured/resurrected into heaven without telling them what was going on.<<<

That is a truly bizarre interpretation. I certainly don't believe the first part of your very long sentence. Christ loved the church, and gave his life for it. He will never abandon the church. The church will remain on this earth, eternally.

I do believe Christ will eventually force a reconsideration of unbiblical doctrine, such as that of the RCC and futurism: and certainly that of the antichristian religions, such as Judaism and Islam.

>>>When did the man of sin sit in the Temple of God at Jerusalem declaring himself to be God?<<<

It never said he would sit in the Temple of Jerusalem. You made that up, or someone did and you plagarized. Paul very well may have been referring to either the spiritual temple (which he generally did in his epistles,) or to a pagan shrine or temple. This is the Greek:

nah-os’; from a primary nai>w (to dwell); a fane, shrine, temple: — shrine, temple.

In every case where Jesus or the apostles referred to the body as the temple, that same Greek word was used. Not so for the Greek for the physical Temple at Jerusalem (hee-er-on):

"Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple (nah-os,) and in three days I will raise it up." (John 2:19)

"Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples (nah-os) made with hands; as saith the prophet," (Acts 7:48)

"If any man defile the temple (nah-os) of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple (nah-os) of God is holy, which temple (nah-os) ye are." (1 Corin 3:17)

"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple (nah-os)of God, shewing himself that he is God." (2 Thess 2:4)

Everything you wrote is speculative hogwash, and a bitter pill, to boot.

Philip

291 posted on 02/27/2014 10:03:55 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
I don't know everything about preterism, but one thing I am fairly certain of is, they do not believe such morbid things as the world being destroyed. It takes a very morbid mind to believe that, considering all the scripture pointing in the opposite direction, beginning with John 3:17: "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." (John 3:17)

You write that the world will not be destroyed and you offer John 3:16 as evidence. Peter writes that it will be. John writes that the world is passing away in 1John 2:15-17. Yes, they use the same Greek word for "world"

>>>Its focus is the judgment on the Jews and the destruction of Jersualem.<<< That takes a lot of the heat off of us. What is morbid about that? That places all general (national) judgements in the past. Futurism is the truly morbid doctrine: from their literal interpretations of "all green grass is burnt up," to a "third part of men slain," to the "great tribulation" which they miraculously escape from!

It is morbid to focus on the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD as the culmination of all prophecy and the end of earthly Israel. It was neither. You ignore the larger revolt in 132-135 where the Romans sent twice as many soldiers (120,000 vs. 60,000 in 68AD). Jewish casualties were possibly twice as many too. Josephus' estimate of 1.1 million is disputed to be as low as 250,000. Cassius Dio estimated the 400,000 to 580,000 Jews killed in the second war. The nation of Israel still exists on this earth with a future from God. There they are about 6 million Jews in the Land of Israel, with about half a million of those Jews living in Jerusalem. Their return to the Land of Israel after 18 centuries of dispersion throughout the world is a modern, historical miracle. Against incredible statistical odds the Jews have returned to the land before your very eyes. They were almost completely eradicated just last century. They had no army to speak of, no allies. They were invaded by the armies of five Arab countries. How did it happen they were not driven into the sea and annihilated ? How were the Jews in Jerusalem, cut off and surrounded, not destroyed in 1948 ? It was razor thin. You do not attribute that massive movement of Jews to God. To whom do you attribute it ? The adversary ? the spirit of man ?

312 posted on 02/27/2014 7:39:33 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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