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To: af_vet_1981
>>>>Moreover, another danger, by no means trifling, shall overtake those who falsely presume that they know the name of Antichrist. For if these men assume one [number], when this [Antichrist] shall come having another, they will be easily led away by him, as supposing him not to be the expected one, who must be guarded against.<<<

That will truly disappoint Hal Lindsey who had been making a killing from his "Antichrist of the Month" book club. His Dispy cohorts, Lahaye and Jenkins, will also be disappointed. Have you shown them Irenaeus' warning? LOL!

>>>The early Church father is clearly teaching you that the prophecies in Revelation had not happened yet (Against Heresies by St. Irenaeus).<<<

Are you referring to the book by Irenaeus titled Against Heresies that he wrote around 175-185 A.D., or more than one-hundred years after destruction of Jerusalem? He certainly was right on top of things, wasn't he? LOL! Not! He was about three generations removed from the event. And in those days there was very unreliable internet service.

One thing is clear from the book Against Heresies: it is clearly NOT a reliable source for the late-dating of the book of the Revelation.; and anyone who claims it is a reliable source is, at best, a false teacher.

>>>You have civil liberty to start any new teaching, sect, denomination, or religion in this country based on your opinion and private interpretations.<<<

Why start a new sect when we have the Dispies, JW's, 7th Dayers, and other new-age-style sects to choose from? Of course, we also have the traditional catholics, and their strange, unbiblical doctrine.

>>>Those Presbyterian churches apparently hate Zionism. I would not be surprised should they favor reconsideration of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 (adopted on November 10, 1975 by a vote of 72 to 35 (with 32 abstentions), "determine[d] that Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination". The vote took place approximately one year after UNGA 3237 granted the PLO "observer status", following Yasser Arafat's "olive branch" speech to the General Assembly in November 1974. The resolution was passed with the support of the Soviet bloc and other then Soviet-aligned nations, in addition to the Arab and Islamic majority countries. The resolution was revoked in 1991 with UN General Assembly Resolution 46/86, shortly following the end of the Cold War.).<<<

Is that a fact (the highlighted part,) or is that your latest attempt to smear anyone who refuses to toe-the-line of your ungodly sect?

BTW, are you a Christian Zionist? Are you one of that strange breed that wants as many Jews as possible to relocate to Israel so that more of them will be killed when the "prophecies" are fulfilled?

Philip

162 posted on 02/25/2014 9:07:40 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
Is that a fact (the highlighted part,) or is that your latest attempt to smear anyone who refuses to toe-the-line of your ungodly sect?

There is a thread today about both Iran and David Duke embracing the latest publication by some of the antiZionist/antiSemitic Presbyterian churches. I believe, like the Apostle Paul, and the Catholic Church, that the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Do you ?

164 posted on 02/25/2014 9:31:23 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: PhilipFreneau
One thing is clear from the book Against Heresies: it is clearly NOT a reliable source for the late-dating of the book of the Revelation.; and anyone who claims it is a reliable source is, at best, a false teacher.

That really is an absurd assertion. It is THE source by 99% of scholars for the late date.

Greek grammar rules in this case ... I'll go with that 99% that view the nearest anticedent as the determining factor ... not the unlikely choice required by a theological position.

189 posted on 02/25/2014 2:28:31 PM PST by dartuser
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