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To: SZonian
Oh please many of you paint JS with a broad brush

Much of what you like to think is true to malign JS with is hearsay, different points of view of how to process information etc.

Nothing was plagiarized there are some passages the wording was not from KJV at all, but was more accurate than the KJV translation, and there was no way JS would have that knowledge, so how do you explain that about an unlearned farm boy?

HEARSAY, trying to make a buck on the estate sale 58 yrs later.

This tale about JS so called talismans came 58 years after the death of Emma.

Anderson noted that Bidamon waited fifty-eight years after Emma’s death to make his certification, and notes that at the time of her death he was only fifteen years old.

Durham based his comments on Wood's description for the item which was: "This piece [the Talisman] was in Joseph Smith's pocket when he was martyred at Carthage Jail."[6] However, a list of the items in Joseph's possession at the time of his death was provided to Emma following the martyrdom. On this list there was no mention made of any Talisman-like item. If there had been such an article, it ought to have been listed.

In 1984, Anderson located and published the itemized list of the contents of Joseph Smith's pockets at his death.

The list was originally published in 1885 in Iowa by James W. Woods, Smith's lawyer, who collected the prophet's personal effects after the Martyrdom.

The contents from the published 1885 printing are as follows: Received, Nauvoo, Illinois, July 2, 1844, of James W. Woods, one hundred and thirty- five dollars and fifty cents in gold and silver and receipt for shroud, one gold finger ring, one gold pen and pencil case, one penknife, one pair of tweezers, one silk and one leather purse, one small pocket wallet containing a note of John P. Green for $50, and a receipt of Heber C. Kimball for a note of hand on Ellen M. Saunders for one thousand dollars, as the property of Joseph Smith. - Emma Smith.[7]

No Talisman or item like it is listed. It could not be mistaken for a coin or even a "Masonic Jewel" as Durham first thought. Anderson described the Talisman as being “an inch-and-a-half in diameter and covered with symbols and a prayer on one side and square of sixteen Hebrew characters on the other.”[8] Significant is the fact that no associate of Joseph Smith has ever mentioned anything like this medallion. There are no interviews that ever record Emma mentioning any such item as attested to by Charles Bidamon, though he claimed she often spoke of it.

http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Occultism_and_magic/Jupiter_talisman

Should you continue this story as if it is true after this knowledge has come to light, than you are engaging in falsehood.

The Book of Mormon and the Pearls of Great Price have more significant today as other events unfold in the earth.

So you folks can chose to malign a treasured book but as for me I will always be thankful for its existence.

138 posted on 02/20/2014 9:05:24 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
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139 posted on 02/20/2014 9:08:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
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140 posted on 02/20/2014 9:08:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Oh please many of you paint JS with a broad brush

And you squint your eyes so the SORDID details slip right past you.

141 posted on 02/20/2014 9:09:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Much of what you like to think is true to malign JS with is hearsay, different points of view of how to process information etc.

Much means what - 1%?

10%


The REST is ACTUAL datafrom the mighty repositiory of MORMON history; freely offered to ALL who will look at it.

YOU are the broad brush person; sweepiong aside ANYTHING that shows want a CORRUPT system JS starts and others have propagated!

142 posted on 02/20/2014 9:11:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Much means what ???

Just don't HINT at things; show your work at ferreting out ERROR like we ANTIs have!

You up to the task??

143 posted on 02/20/2014 9:12:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Nothing was plagiarized there are some passages the wording was not from KJV at all, but was more accurate than the KJV translation, and there was no way JS would have that knowledge, so how do you explain that about an unlearned farm boy?

Says WHO?

You just repeating some stuff gotten from GOD knows where?

144 posted on 02/20/2014 9:14:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Nothing was plagiarized there are some passages the wording was not from KJV at all, but was more accurate than the KJV translation, and there was no way JS would have that knowledge, so how do you explain that about an unlearned farm boy?

Says WHO?

You just repeating some stuff gotten from GOD knows where?

145 posted on 02/20/2014 9:18:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
So you folks can chose to malign a treasured book but as for me I will always be thankful for its existence.

Sorry; but providing FACTS about a 'treasured' book is NOT maligning; unless you're the BELIEVER in that 'treasured' book and your ox is getting gored.

The Book of ABRAHAM is PROVEN to be a fake and the Book of MORMON (the MOST correct book) has had over 3,000 changes!!!

What kind of a FOOL would stay in an organization that has these FACTS as a foundation?

146 posted on 02/20/2014 9:20:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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