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To: restornu

It’s where all starts restornu...the source, the very essence of all that is wrong with mormonism...the mere fact of the plagiarizing of King James English into a book that was supposedly written hundreds of years earlier...the false translation of the Book of Abraham...the false prophecy about a temple being built, the adultery, the fraud, the scams, using pagan talismans, etc.

Face the facts...the temple rites in LDS temples are not of God...this has been shown to you, that they were created by men.

This alone should tell you that the premise SLC puts before you that your exaltation is in jeopardy if you do not get a temple recommend and take out your “endowments”. But the “endowments” are man made tradition as you say...something you can’t tolerate and excoriate Christianity over...yet, here are the mormons doing the very thing you claim to stand against. Cognitive dissonance.

Who was responsible for those “rites” and then levying the requirement? JS...a wanna be, boy king prophet who played with “strange fire”...I do hold him directly responsible for the many who are held in the grip of mormonism.

It’s not sour grapes, it’s just a simple fact...he is responsible and so I will not grant one iota of respect to the man, what he has done, or what he represents.


137 posted on 02/20/2014 5:15:04 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian
Oh please many of you paint JS with a broad brush

Much of what you like to think is true to malign JS with is hearsay, different points of view of how to process information etc.

Nothing was plagiarized there are some passages the wording was not from KJV at all, but was more accurate than the KJV translation, and there was no way JS would have that knowledge, so how do you explain that about an unlearned farm boy?

HEARSAY, trying to make a buck on the estate sale 58 yrs later.

This tale about JS so called talismans came 58 years after the death of Emma.

Anderson noted that Bidamon waited fifty-eight years after Emma’s death to make his certification, and notes that at the time of her death he was only fifteen years old.

Durham based his comments on Wood's description for the item which was: "This piece [the Talisman] was in Joseph Smith's pocket when he was martyred at Carthage Jail."[6] However, a list of the items in Joseph's possession at the time of his death was provided to Emma following the martyrdom. On this list there was no mention made of any Talisman-like item. If there had been such an article, it ought to have been listed.

In 1984, Anderson located and published the itemized list of the contents of Joseph Smith's pockets at his death.

The list was originally published in 1885 in Iowa by James W. Woods, Smith's lawyer, who collected the prophet's personal effects after the Martyrdom.

The contents from the published 1885 printing are as follows: Received, Nauvoo, Illinois, July 2, 1844, of James W. Woods, one hundred and thirty- five dollars and fifty cents in gold and silver and receipt for shroud, one gold finger ring, one gold pen and pencil case, one penknife, one pair of tweezers, one silk and one leather purse, one small pocket wallet containing a note of John P. Green for $50, and a receipt of Heber C. Kimball for a note of hand on Ellen M. Saunders for one thousand dollars, as the property of Joseph Smith. - Emma Smith.[7]

No Talisman or item like it is listed. It could not be mistaken for a coin or even a "Masonic Jewel" as Durham first thought. Anderson described the Talisman as being “an inch-and-a-half in diameter and covered with symbols and a prayer on one side and square of sixteen Hebrew characters on the other.”[8] Significant is the fact that no associate of Joseph Smith has ever mentioned anything like this medallion. There are no interviews that ever record Emma mentioning any such item as attested to by Charles Bidamon, though he claimed she often spoke of it.

http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Occultism_and_magic/Jupiter_talisman

Should you continue this story as if it is true after this knowledge has come to light, than you are engaging in falsehood.

The Book of Mormon and the Pearls of Great Price have more significant today as other events unfold in the earth.

So you folks can chose to malign a treasured book but as for me I will always be thankful for its existence.

138 posted on 02/20/2014 9:05:24 AM PST by restornu
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