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To: metmom

“Blame shifting 101. It’s everyone else’s fault, not ours.”

No. Logic. How much sin would there be without the world, the flesh, and the devil? 1 John 2:15-17; 1 Peter 5:8,9 None among human beings because there would be any human beings. Are all Protestants here public school drop outs?

“Sounds like the gates of hell ARE prevailing against the RCC because the leaders are LETTING it.”

You must be talking about Royal Crown Cola (RCC). And human beings fail. The Church doesn’t.

“It IS their responsibility that it’s not being taught any more.”

Exactly - many of them now act like Protestants. Hence, the problem.

“Nobody is holding a gun to the heads of those cardinals, bishops, and priests who are not teaching the CCC.”

Actually someone is, but they should be willing to be martyred anyway rather than act like Protestants.

“No. It’s YOUR church leaders not teaching what the official doctrine of the Catholic church is that is the problem.”

Agreed - because too many of them act like Protestants.

“Man up and own it.”

I do - our problem is too much Protestantism.


32 posted on 02/15/2014 5:40:45 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

It’s not Protestantism. It’s Modernism. The Church has been infected with it since just before Vatican II.


33 posted on 02/15/2014 5:46:45 AM PST by piusv
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To: vladimir998

The Roman Catholic church IS failing or the the laity would not be endorsing and living lifestyles forbidden by the CCC.

Those same clergy who like to take credit for how wonderful the church is when everything is going well, need to own up and take responsibility for the same church when it’s off track.

It’s part of being a leader.

The Catholic laity is off track because the Catholic hierarchy is not teaching or enforcing its doctrines as it should.

And even if the blame is to be laid at the feet of the laity, then they are at fault not only for letting it happen but embracing it.

If the church had the integrity it claims, then it doesn’t matter whether if its living in the same kind of cesspool as Sodom and Gomorrah. It wouldn’t be tainted if it didn’t let itself be tainted.

Nothing from the outside can make the heart corrupt if the heart intends to remain pure.

Jesus did it and taught on it. It’s not what goes into a man that corrupts him, it’s what comes out. Out of the heart come the issues of life. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

The problems within the Catholic church are coming from within. If they’re not, the Catholic church is weak because it’s caving to outside influences.


42 posted on 02/15/2014 7:26:28 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: vladimir998
mm:“Nobody is holding a gun to the heads of those cardinals, bishops, and priests who are not teaching the CCC.”

v998:Actually someone is, but they should be willing to be martyred anyway rather than act like Protestants.

Who?

43 posted on 02/15/2014 7:27:37 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: vladimir998
And human beings fail. The Church doesn’t.

Your Church defines itself as the community of believers, the assembly (ekklesia) of all who believe in Jesus Christ; or the fellowship (koinonia) of all who are bound together by their common love for the Savior. As the kingdom (basileia), it is the fulfillment of the ancient prophecies about the reign of the Messiah. And as the Mystical Body it is the communion of all those made holy by the grace of Christ. He is their invisible head and they are his visible members. These include the faithful on earth, those in purgatory who are not yet fully purified, and the saints in heaven.

As the community of unsaved believers your Church can not help but fail...Its own corrupt history and the long list of forged writings/documents that apparently make up your religious dogma are ample proof of that...

45 posted on 02/15/2014 7:38:49 AM PST by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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