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Mormon Church Head Thomas Monson Summoned by British Magistrates' Court Over Adam and Eve Teaching
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 2/5/14 | John Bingham

Posted on 02/08/2014 12:07:25 PM PST by marshmallow

Thomas S Monson, president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, ordered to appear before British magistrates' court amid claims that the organisation's teaching amounts to 'fraud'

A British magistrate has issued an extraordinary summons to the worldwide leader of the Mormon church alleging that its teachings about mankind amount to fraud.

Thomas S. Monson, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been ordered to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court in London next month to defend the church’s doctrines including beliefs about Adam and Eve and Native Americans.

A formal summons signed by District Judge Elizabeth Roscoe warns Mr Monson, who is recognised by Mormons as God’s prophet on Earth, that a warrant for his arrest could be issued if he fails to make the journey from Salt Lake City, Utah, for a hearing on March 14.

In one of the most unusual documents ever issued by a British court, it lists seven teachings of the church, including that Native Americans are descended from a family of ancient Israelites as possible evidence of fraud.

It also cites the belief that the Book of Mormon was translated from ancient gold plates revealed to the church’s founder Joseph Smith by angels and that Adam and Eve lived around 6,000 years ago.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Cause for fraud based on religious claims.
They could as easily go after the Catholic church on the same.
Or any other religion that raises funds from their members.


21 posted on 02/08/2014 12:50:05 PM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya

No it is not a case for fraud based on religious claims. Please read the story at the link I posted.


22 posted on 02/08/2014 12:51:09 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Yes I did read it. It is weasel-wording.
The same claims can be made, stated in very similar ways, vs any religion that promotes conversions.
And let’s not open the can of worms re religious institutions that charge for tuition or medical fees, much less solicit donations. This sort of thing can be written to allege fraud on any religious claim.


23 posted on 02/08/2014 12:57:31 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

The court has to determine whether a “ fraud” occurred Without Regard To the truth or falsity of any church teachings. Religious beliefs are beyond government ‘s realm or purview. That’s the point. Therefore, for a court to question or even deny any church’s creation beliefs is legal error and irrelevant to any fraud charges ... And exceptionally dangerous. Do you want your government deciding what your church can teach or not teach? Besides, by what gift of genius is this magistrate endowed to rule on the accuracy of scripture? Maybe he was a witness to the creation so that he actually knows how it happened, that he plans to judge a church’s understanding of the event? If not, he’s way way over his head and not merely beyond his province. . And he’d better back off. And quickly.


24 posted on 02/08/2014 12:57:56 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: marshmallow

Get the popcorn out!


25 posted on 02/08/2014 12:59:01 PM PST by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: dragonblustar

Popcorn?
We are all attacked here.
I am Catholic. If this succeeds we are next.
And so are any Evangelical churches.


26 posted on 02/08/2014 1:01:36 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
This is not about religion, this is a criminal cause for fraud.

You might want to go back and re-read that. The person who filed the criminal complaint, Tom Phillips is a disgruntled former Mormon (he now describes himself as “a secular humanist or atheist, or whatever you want to call it.”). He is citing the matter of tithing as being fraudulent because it is based on untrue religious precepts, used to obtain tithes comprising 10 percent of church members’ incomes.

One of those “false” precepts is not particular to Mormon’s, that being “that Adam and Eve lived around 6,000 years ago.”

Are Ken Ham and other Young Earth Creationists next to be summonsed in front of a magistrate in England?

While I don’t believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, I defend the rights of people who do, even as I might argue with them. It is not a criminal matter.

27 posted on 02/08/2014 1:03:21 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: marshmallow

I disagree with the mormons on this but the British jurist is definitely a homosexual nazi.


28 posted on 02/08/2014 1:04:45 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: buwaya

Calm down and put your faith in God.


29 posted on 02/08/2014 1:08:29 PM PST by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Read them.

Not much there except they are demanding he appear because they are charging his religion (and practices) with fraud. . .meaning his religion and practices are fraudulent and need to be punished.

What next? Summoning the Pope because some atheist claims Christ dying for our sins is a fraud by the Church. I mean, really, how can you prove he died for our sins if there are no physical proof other than the Word? (sarc).


30 posted on 02/08/2014 1:11:31 PM PST by Hulka
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To: marshmallow

I’ll bet Roscoe is a lesbo.


31 posted on 02/08/2014 1:11:38 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: faithhopecharity

This is the same country that tried to extradite an American A-10 pilot so a magistrate’s court could try (and convict) the pilot for unlawful killing because of a blue-on-blue incident.


32 posted on 02/08/2014 1:12:53 PM PST by Hulka
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To: dragonblustar

Faith in God serves to strengthen one for the neccessary struggle here in the world. Its not an argument to stay out of the struggle. This thing is our fight, not just the Mormons.


33 posted on 02/08/2014 1:14:01 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Not gonna take it anymore; buwaya

Tithing is part of the case and the case/court list many basic tenets of their faith and call them misleading/fraud.

Basically, the court is claiming Mormon religious beliefs are fraud.

The documents at the link list basic tenets of the faith and blame those tenets as fraud/misleading.


34 posted on 02/08/2014 1:19:54 PM PST by Hulka
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To: buwaya

And just what is our fight? Are we fighting for God or for the flesh?


35 posted on 02/08/2014 1:24:59 PM PST by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: buwaya

Look, I’m not trying to have a go but I see Christians conforming to this world and not to God’s will. They would rather have the status quo then to honor God and stand up for the truth.


36 posted on 02/08/2014 1:30:52 PM PST by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: marshmallow

He is the Mormon Pope isn’t he?


37 posted on 02/08/2014 1:31:16 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: buwaya

In Mormonism giving 10% of your income is required, and is investigated by church authorities like Bishop Romney, who issue you an ID card every year which proves your compliance and allows you entrance into the fancier version of their churches, which are forbidden to the non-payers.

If you don’t pay, then you cannot become a God, and you have to settle for a second rate afterlife.


38 posted on 02/08/2014 1:37:55 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: marshmallow
Are they going to say anything to the Scientologists?

Now there's some fraud.
39 posted on 02/08/2014 1:44:50 PM PST by servo1969
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To: marshmallow
doctrines which “might be untrue or misleading” could be a breach of the Fraud Act 2006


40 posted on 02/08/2014 1:48:34 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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