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Pope says its “absurd to love Christ without the Church, to listen to Christ but not the Church"
AsiaNews ^ | 01/30/2014

Posted on 01/30/2014 2:50:42 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM

» 01/30/2014 11:57
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Pope says its “absurd to love Christ without the Church, to listen to Christ but not the Church, to be with Christ at the margins of the Church"

Vatican City ( AsiaNews) - "It's absurd to love Christ without the Church, to listen to Christ but not the Church" , because the "first fruit of Baptism is to make you belong to the Church" and that "membership " has three pillars : humility , faithfulness and prayer for the Church.  This is what Pope Francis said today during his homily at Mass celebrated at Casa Santa Marta.

The Pope, Vatican Radio reports, was speaking about King David, as presented by the readings of the day: a man who speaks with the Lord as a son speaks with his father and even if his requests meet with a "no", he accepts this with joy. David had "a strong feeling of belonging to the people of God." And this makes us wonder about our sense of belonging to the Church, our feeling with the Church and in the Church.

"The Christian is not a baptized who receives baptism and then goes on his way. The first fruit of Baptism is to make you belong to the Church, the People of God. You cannot understand a Christian without the Church. This is why the great Paul VI said that it is an absurd dichotomy to love Christ without the Church, to listen to Christ but not the Church, to be with Christ at the margins of the Church. It's not possible. It is an absurd dichotomy. We receive the Gospel message in the Church and we carry out our holiness in the Church, our path in the Church. The other is a fantasy, or, as he said, an absurd dichotomy".

The "sensus ecclesiae" is "precisely to feel, think, want, within the Church". There are " three pillars of this belonging, this feeling with the Church . The first is humility" in the awareness of the great grace of being "inserted in a community":

"A person who is not humble, can not hear the Church, they can only hear what they like. We see this humility in David, ' Who am I , O Lord God , and what is my home?'. That realization that the story of salvation did not begin with me and will not end with me when I die. No, it's a whole history of salvation : I come, the Lord will take you, will help go onwards and then calls you and the story continues. The history of the Church began before us and will continue after us. Humility: we are a small part of a great people, that walks the path of the Lord".

The second pillar is fidelity, "that is linked to obedience". "Fidelity to the Church, fidelity to its teaching; fidelity to the Creed; fidelity to the doctrine, safeguarding this doctrine. Humility and fidelity. Even Paul VI reminded us that we receive the message of the Gospel as a gift and we need to transmit it as a gift, but not as a something of ours: it is a gift that we received. And be faithful in this transmission . Because we have received and we have to gift a Gospel that is not ours, that is Jesus', and we must not - he would say - become masters of the Gospel, masters of the doctrine we have received, to use it as we please".
 
The third pillar is a special service "to pray for the Church." "How is our prayer for the Church? Do we pray for the Church? Every day at Mass, but at home? When do we say our prayers?".  "Do we pray for the entire Church, all over the world?". May the Lord - the Pope concluded - help us to go down this path to deepen our belonging to the Church and our feeling with the Church".


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To: Brian Kopp DPM
"A person who is not humble, can not hear the Church, they can only hear what they like."

That bears repeating.

"If he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector." --Jesus

161 posted on 01/31/2014 10:54:32 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

“Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

“Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” (Matthew 18:15-20)

If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people? Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, do you ask for a ruling from those whose way of life is scorned in the church? I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? But instead, one brother takes another to court—and this in front of unbelievers!

The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (I Corinthians 6:1-11)


162 posted on 01/31/2014 11:23:59 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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ph


163 posted on 02/01/2014 8:25:06 AM PST by xone
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To: boatbums
Mary always points us to Jesus. Nothing else need be said except her last words in the Bible:

"Do whatever he tells you."

164 posted on 02/01/2014 8:29:22 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: boatbums

**fallen angles**

Are those straight lines, then?


165 posted on 02/01/2014 8:31:02 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CynicalBear; boatbums

Great work guys (or gals as the case may be) keep on preaching the gospel and the truth.


166 posted on 02/01/2014 12:05:20 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: redleghunter

That was sad and funny at the same time. Bet the Catholics don’t think so.


167 posted on 02/01/2014 12:18:08 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Graybeard58

Thanks for the good word!


168 posted on 02/01/2014 1:00:17 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Salvation
Mary always points us to Jesus. Nothing else need be said except her last words in the Bible: "Do whatever he tells you."

The REAL Mary certainly would. The make-believe, mythical Mary rarely seems to.

169 posted on 02/01/2014 1:30:30 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Graybeard58
Appreciate that! ♥
170 posted on 02/01/2014 1:32:22 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Salvation

Now you are being obtuse:)


171 posted on 02/01/2014 2:05:25 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: D-fendr; CynicalBear
Now how would Paul know your assembly to address? How many "assemblies" would he be writing to in your neighborhood? In your zip code? In your city? In your state?

Just prior to Thanksgiving, my mega-church was involved in a food drive. They were joined by a number of other local churches. In the written materials and on the news stories, all the churches were referenced as The Church of Cincinnati. They all agreed to not be named otherwise.

I suppose a letter could be delivered to one church leader, read and then passed to the next.

172 posted on 02/01/2014 6:02:44 PM PST by Dianna
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To: redleghunter

LOL! No, I’m acute.


173 posted on 02/01/2014 6:02:46 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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