To: NKP_Vet
"The bottom line is that the truth of the Catholic Church is rooted in history. Jesus Christ is a historical person who gave his authority to his Church to teach, govern, and sanctify in his place. His Church gave us the New Testament with the authority of Christ. Reason rejects sola scriptura as a self-refuting principle". Your opening assertion was borne out by the series of comments on this thread as the thousands of schismatic, protesting and re-forming sects neither present a credible and consistent interpretation of the Scriptures, nor a claim to legitimacy independent of the Catholic Church (Jews and Catholics gave us the Bible; churches trace their origin to the Catholic Church from whom they rebelled; churches are newly formed sects/denominations) . I allow the exception are those fundamental Baptist churches that claim a church to church historical succession in authority and doctrine dating to the Apostles. They assert they were there in the beginning and were always legitimate. That claim was not addressed in this thread and they tend to be pre-millenial or futurist.
Nonetheless, the sensible Catholic position is summarized very well expressed by Msgr. Charles Pope. - Soon + Sudden Since the Ascension Christs coming in glory has been imminent (Rev 22:20), even though it is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority.(Acts 1:7) This eschatological coming could be accomplished at any moment, even if both it and the final trial that will precede it are delayed (Mat 24:44; 1 Thes 5:2; 2 Thes 2:3-12). (CCC # 673).
- Suspended - The glorious Messiahs coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by all Israel (Romans 11:20-26; Mat 23:39), for a hardening has come upon part of Israel in their unbelief (Romans 11:20-26) toward Jesus. St. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost: Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old. (Acts 3:19-21) St. Paul echoes him: For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? (Rom 11:15) The full inclusion of the Jews in the Messiahs salvation, in the wake of the full number of the Gentiles (Rom 11:12), will enable the People of God to achieve the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, in which God may be all in all (Eph 4:13; 1 Cor 15:27-28) (CCC # 674)
- Suffering and Sedition- Before Christs second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers (Luke 18:8; Mt 24:12). The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the mystery of iniquity in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh. (2 Thess 2:4-12; 1 Thess 5:2-3; 1 Jn 2:18-22) (CCC # 675)
- Secular Utopianism Rejected The Antichrists deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the intrinsically perverse political form of a secular messianism. (CCC # 676)
- Second Coming follows a final unleashing of evil - The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. (Rev 19:1-9) The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by Gods victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. (Rev 13:1ff; Rev 20:7-9; Rev 21:2-4) Gods triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world. (CCC # 677)
I find it interesting that the antiCatholic preterist/post-millenial position believes the Virgin Mary was assumed/raptured/taken into heaven, albeit at a date that differs by several weeks from the Catholic tradition.
928 posted on
02/12/2014 6:46:22 AM PST by
af_vet_1981
(The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began, q)
To: af_vet_1981
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=24660
Christs church subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the bishops in communion with him. That phrase affirms that the historical continuity and the permanence of all the elements instituted by Christ are only present in the Catholic Church, the congregation said. It noted that the Orthodox faith communities are called churches, though separate from the Catholic Church, as they have retained apostolic succession, the ordained priesthood and the Eucharist. Because of those close bonds, the congregation said, they merit the title of churches and are seen as sister churches of specific Catholic churches. Yet, Christian communities born out of the Reformation do not share that union as they do not enjoy apostolic succession in the sacrament of orders, the Vatican congregation said. These ecclesial communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic mystery cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called churches in the proper sense,
929 posted on
02/12/2014 6:59:42 AM PST by
NKP_Vet
("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
To: af_vet_1981
>>>I find it interesting that the antiCatholic preterist/post-millenial position believes the Virgin Mary was assumed/raptured/taken into heaven...<<<
Where can I find that in the scripture?
Philip
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