Posted on 01/26/2014 10:48:53 AM PST by ebb tide
Two white doves that were released by children standing alongside Pope Francis as a peace gesture have been attacked by other birds.
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Calm down, Hoss. People would have to be seriously dense if they thought we were talking about the real Amish as a violent, deranged breed.
On an historical note it is worth remembering that the ancestors of the Amish came to this country when William Penn offered toleration and religious freedom to anyone who wanted to come to Pennsylvania. The Mennonites had been victims of persecution in Europe for about a century and a half by that time. Freedom of religion and religious tolerance--it would be a great thing if the current regime would learn that those should be enjoyed by everyone, not just Muslims.
"Ladies and gentlemen, it may be a cultural misunderstanding. Maybe to them, doves mean war."
Coincidentally, just one year ago - almost to the day:
Pope's dove of peace almost ends in pieces: Seagull attacks bird
Now the Mennonites on the other hand...
We come in peace...
Stupid hippies.
“William Penn offered toleration and religious freedom to anyone who wanted to come to Pennsylvania. The Mennonites had been victims of persecution in Europe...”
Yes. One thing though...the Mennonites and the Amish are not the same. Similiarities, and from similar backgrounds, but not the same people. Today many Amish leaving the Amish Community do so by way of the Mennonites, so there are ties, and respect between the two groups.
We sailed out of Marsh Harbor. What a week! The day we left the dock, I was the only ‘sailor’ on board. When we ended the week, back at the dock, we had 7 additional ‘sailors’ aboard.
We sailed out of Marsh Harbor and covered the area from Hope Town to Green Turtle Cay. Man of War Cay was especially interesting...we met some of the Alberg family and were invited to dinner. Half of Man of War Cay are Albergs. They left the Colony’s during the Revolution to remain loyal to the Crown.
At Green Turtle Cay, we had to watch the tides to go in and out of the harbor. I had prepared tide tables for the week we would be there and had them with me for the cruise. Handy.
An absolutely astounding experience!
I was a landlubber, wanna be sailor for many years. A friend of mine bought a sailboat, a Pearson Commander, and had it on Lake Erie. He did not know how to sail. We learned together. A great boat, full keel, and especially great for Lake Erie. Not easy to knock down. He had a US Ensign sown onto his mainsail, and we would go out on the lake when others were coming in. They called him ‘Fearless Joe’.
When I was a teenager, I always wanted to spend a summer crewing on a Great Lakes freighter...never happened. But I am an avid sailor, and have sailed several places around the world...including on the Nile, below the Aswan Dam, when the helmsman on a Falucca turned the tiller over to me...we had a dozen people on board when he did that.
The Mennonites are named for an early Anabaptist, Menno Simons (1496-1561). The Amish are named for Jakob Ammann (b. 1644), who split from the other Mennonites.
The World Almanac has a table of "Memberships of Religious Groups in the U.S." which has 8 churches listed under "Mennonite Churches." One of these is the Beachy Amish Mennonite Churches; another is Old Order Amish Churches.
Talking about tides...did you ever go through "the Whale"? We had scary crossings in BOTH boats every time we went through but you have to do it to get over to the outer Abacos. We went to Man O' War by boat taxi from Hope Town and saw where the Alberg family made the wooden boats. Green Turtle was great, too. Good cracked conch!
You're right about sailing. Nothing beats OJT especially when you have to white knuckle through bad weather. Learned a lot of life lessons out on the sea. Glad to hear about your travels. I think there are a lot of rag-baggers, blow-boaters, stink-potters and wake-makers among the Free Republic crew. :o)
My Ggpax4 was a Marblehead seaman, a Captain. He had several ships. And yes, he was an observer at the Tea Party. A number of my ancestral relatives were Marblehead seamen. One was a member of Glovers Regiment, and was a part of the detachment to get Washington across the Delaware for the Christmas Day attack on the Prussians at Trenton.
In Marsh Harbor we stayed at the Conch Inn for the night before setting sail the next morning. On the patio, sipping drinks, we conversed with a couple at the next table. They were from Colorado Springs. In conversation I mentioned that I had a cousin in Colorado Springs. When asked who, I told her my cousins name...turned out my cousin was her best friend. Disney doesnt have a lock on Small World...this is just one of many times we have learned how small our world really is.
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