Posted on 01/25/2014 11:26:41 AM PST by Gamecock
“The passage shows there are no more apostles but the genuine apostles could ordain/appoint bishops/elders, and those bishops/elders ordain/appoint other bishops/elders, until this day in an unbroken chain of doctrinal unity and truth. That is what I mean by apostolic succession.”
Your statement contains problems.
Elders appointing other elders is not Apostolic succession.
There is not “unbroken chain of doctrinal unity and truth.” You cannot trace Rome’s errors back to the Apostles in unbroken fashion. It’s been requested and failed here on FR many, many time.
*Takes a shot for someone bringing up the Bible in its original language(s).*
I do recall going over this passage in the original Greek in my seminary years. BOY, did the original language open my eyes.
He was the Apostle, and he was “passing it on.” There is no doubt of his doctrinal unity and fellowship with the true, genuine Christian church/churches. He is instructing Titus to pass it on so that it will fulfill the Great Commission in an unbroken chain of truth.
Sorry, but I’m still not quite understanding what you’re trying to argue, other than that it’s in favor of Rome. Is it the teaching that’s important, or is it the act of appointing? Neither? Both?
“He was the Apostle, and he was “passing it on.” There is no doubt of his doctrinal unity and fellowship with the true, genuine Christian church/churches. He is instructing Titus to pass it on so that it will fulfill the Great Commission in an unbroken chain of truth.”
Yes, back before 100 AD this was true. This wasn’t the current Roman Church. You can’t find Paul teaching any of Rome’s fallible doctrines, let alone passing them along. In that sense, when you claim it is unbroken through today’s Roman church, you are promoting a falsehood.
All you’ve done is demonstrate the foundation of Protestant teaching of truth - going back to the source to keep from drifting from truth.
The Apostle Peter called himself an elder (1 Peter 5:1), but the salient point to me is there should be an unbroken chain of passing the authority over the churches and their doctrinal unity from the Apostles to those they appointed to those the next authorized overseers appointed, unto this day. I did not write it had to be Rome. I wrote that if you deny the Roman claim it is incumbent on you to pose an alternative candidate (unless of course you deny apostolic succession, ie., the apostles failed at the Great Commission).
Greek Cheers! I’ll take Carmenere.
“unto this day”
That is where you went off the rails when you propose Rome is the terminal of your train.
“I wrote that if you deny the Roman claim it is incumbent on you to pose an alternative candidate”
yes, you wrote this, but it isn’t true. You made a truth claim. You’ve attempted to provide evidence that holds up that truth claim, but sadly failed. It is not incumbent on me to prove or disprove anything. We were discussing your personal claims. Apparently, you have nothing else to try to support your claim...
I love to watch The Journey Home.
http://www.marcusgrodi.com/conversion-story/
I am a former Protestant minister. Like so many others who have trodden the path that leads to Rome by way of that country known as Protestantism, I never imagined I would one day convert to Catholicism.
I’ve still got my Mountain Dew, but this time frozen! *Cheers*
“I’ve still got my Mountain Dew, but this time frozen! “
You’re going further and further out on the limb!!!
“I am a former Protestant minister.”
Didn’t you write earlier that you were not saved, were a drunk, and liked country music?
I’m fine with country music, but what kind of minister were you???
Brazil has the world’s largest Catholic population
Roman Catholic 64.6%
Protestants 22.2%
No religion 8.0%
Spiritism 2.0%
As for Europe, socialism has all but killed Christianity, and for this you rejoice?
I simply asked for the true church denomination/sub denomination. If not Rome, and not Eastern Orthodox, then who ? I suppose not getting an answer is an answer.
Marcus Grodi. Not me. I was never a minister. I was a heathen.
Thank you,Narses!
PARTY HARD!
NKP,
“As for Europe, socialism has all but killed Christianity, and for this you rejoice?”
I don’t rejoice at all, except when someone comes to Christ in faith, apart from works.
Socialism cannot kill Christianity. Churches themselves fail to stand in the gap.
Brazil is bleeding Romans and has been during the ministry years of the pope.
“Marcus Grodi. Not me. I was never a minister. I was a heathen.”
I see. You were quoting.
I was a Roman heathen before I came to faith in Christ.
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