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My wife and I are atheists, but our daughter wants to be baptised Catholic
The Guardian ^ | 14 January 2014 | James Harrington

Posted on 01/17/2014 4:45:21 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o

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To: gorush
Thanks - I've heard of the book and I know the author is an NT scholar - but anybody with a background in history knows Jesus existed. He is mentioned in Tacitus as well as Josephus, never mind Acts and the NT. In fact, his historical existence is better documented than most Roman emperors . . . .

I see that the usual Jesus Project crowd are now claiming that Josephus has interpolations (which is the same thing they claim wrt any supernatural event in the New Testament). But they're going to have a hard time getting around Tacitus . . . .

21 posted on 01/17/2014 5:17:04 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Obviously the parents failed to raise the child wrong!

Maybe the child will now be a Godly influence on the parents.


22 posted on 01/17/2014 5:21:04 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

My whole life is about giving it a fair try.


23 posted on 01/17/2014 5:26:44 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

You should know, most things are temporal. They come and go: governments, leaders, fads, trends, beliefs, nations. The Catholic Church does not come and go. It has been here since the beginning, for almost 2,000 years, the oldest sustainable institution on earth. All else is transitory and may not be here a hundred, two hundred, a thousand years from now. “...the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” It has survived heresies, corrupt popes, emperors, wickedness, persecutions, Nazis, you name it, yet it is still standing. Even more importantly, Christianity has survived,and will endure. Little else does.


24 posted on 01/17/2014 5:29:56 PM PST by NotTallTex
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To: gorush
I'm agnostic now. I just don't know.

No one knows, that's why it is called Faith.

You either believe or not, when you finally know, the die has been cast.

As a one time Alter boy, and still a believer, I'll say a prayer for your travels on the road back.

25 posted on 01/17/2014 5:32:40 PM PST by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“She’s taken a first step down a road that, ultimately, she’ll have to travel on her own.”

More probably correct is: “The parents have taken first step down a road that, ultimately, they will have to travel alone on their own.”


26 posted on 01/17/2014 5:33:02 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (It's difficult to differentiate between a hog calling contest and a Senate rollcall.)
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To: USS Alaska

Don’t worry about me, I’m fine.


27 posted on 01/17/2014 5:34:23 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
How can anyone in their right mind be an atheist?

How can anyone in their right mind believe in ghosts?

28 posted on 01/17/2014 5:45:46 PM PST by Misterioso (All life is a purposeful struggle, and your only choice is the choice of a goal. - Ayn Rand)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“What do you think?”

I think very highly of the parents for permitting her to do this, many would not do that. And I hope this girl continues to live a happy faith-filled life.


29 posted on 01/17/2014 5:47:19 PM PST by jocon307
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To: gorush

That’s good!


30 posted on 01/17/2014 5:57:21 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God)
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To: gorush
I think one of the problems with religion is people insist you believe like they do and many have no clue. The idea of Salvation is to have a PERSONAL relationship with God. He loves you and gave His life to save you from hell. To think that being Catholic has something to do with this is just wrong. There are many Catholics that are saved and love God, but just as many love the Catholic Church and wouldn't recognize God if he was in the pew next to them. All the rituals and robes with Latin and incense has nothing to do with your personal walk with the One that loves you. You should be in a church, but that church should be the one that you get closest to God with.

If you are interested in Spiritual things, pray to Him and He will reveal Himself to you in an unmistakable way. The problem with agnostics and atheists is they are really "dead" spiritually and can't hear God as he is Spirit. The only prayer He can hear from you is the prayer calling Him into your life. If you pray to win the lottery or save your sick child, He can't hear you unless you are alive to Him. Spending 6 years as an alter boy listening to Latin has nothing to do with building a relationship with God. You get the relationship, then serve Him willingly.

31 posted on 01/17/2014 5:57:47 PM PST by chuckles
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To: max americana

“Well at least someone in the family will be praying for them once these 2 hit purgatory.”

They’re not likely to make it. Purgatory is NOT a second chance. You have one chance, this life. That’s all you get. These two twits are blowing that chance.


32 posted on 01/17/2014 5:59:44 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: USS Alaska
..."No one knows, that's why it is called Faith"....

I disagree,.......I know. I've seen and heard. My faith is not blind.

33 posted on 01/17/2014 6:00:47 PM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles

I’m a conservative yet I know that liberals believe differently. They are happy to hate me as I am them. Neither expects to convert the other. My spiritual beliefs are personal. I feel no need to convert anyone. I am offended by those that try to convert me.


34 posted on 01/17/2014 6:01:56 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

God becoming a human is a pretty hard concept to accept. I think if everyone here asked Him to reveal Himself to you, only He can do that, you would then understand. It is pretty overwhelming when it happens.


35 posted on 01/17/2014 6:19:17 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

I have my spiritual beliefs, they are personal. Why is it so important to you that I believe the same as you do?


36 posted on 01/17/2014 6:21:16 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

My family has recently begun attending a new church for us. The pastor speaks in a way which conveys unmistakable truths. The pastor also has a daily radio show of his sermons on stations across the country. In case anyone should wonder, he seems not to have any pride or inflated ego about this radio exposure. Last Sunday we attended the Welcome Luncheon whereby newcomers like us were invited to learn more about this church and its ministries. Several people had heard the radio show and had decided to try this church. Three people in a row were brought almost to tears to have been able to find a church being led by this man who was clearly inspired by God himself and the Holy Bible. Those who reach this point in life when they find God and know his word to be true are very fortunate indeed. I know that is how I feel. Even a young person, like this little girl, can be in this position. I would hope and pray that her parents will one day cross into the same glorious place.


37 posted on 01/17/2014 6:21:46 PM PST by Sam Clements
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To: Sam Clements

I’m happy if you’re happy. I’m even happier if I’m happy. I don’t care what beliefs (beliefs, matters of faith, ie. unprovable tenets about which we live our lives) make you happy and I wish you would extend to me the same courtesy.


38 posted on 01/17/2014 6:29:21 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

Gorush, are you talking to me?


39 posted on 01/17/2014 6:31:21 PM PST by Sam Clements
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To: gorush

Gorush, are you talking to me?


40 posted on 01/17/2014 6:31:21 PM PST by Sam Clements
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