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To: mlizzy

Understand abortion and other topics as big deals. Have trouble with the Latin Mass as something that will enhance Catholicism - why use a language that so few in the laity understand and which relegates it to a “hear a sound, make a sound” session? Celebrate Mass in the same vein of clarity that was fostered by the original speaking in tongues - done so all could hear and understand. Don’t do it with the present day “speaking in tongues” where nobody has a clue what them guttural noises are.


46 posted on 01/12/2014 2:57:29 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb
Much of the Latin would be learned (by the laity) over a period of time, though. Just as Latin has been used sometimes already in the Post Vatican Novus Ordo, it has then been learned. Example, the Agnus Dei (after the consecration):
"Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccati mundi, miserere nobis. Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccati mundi, miserere nobis. Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccati mundi, dona nobis pacem.

"Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, have mercy on us. Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, have mercy on us. Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, grant us peace."
Our parish provides (in every pew) hardbound (very beautifully produced) missals with side-by-side Latin/English translations of the Mass that we always use. And the homily is done in English facing the parishioners.

It's interesting, because as a person without enough hearing to discern any spoken language, whether it be English, Latin, or Spanish, there's a power in the Latin Mass, whether it be NO or EF (truly like heaven is the best way I can describe it), which is missing in a not-fully-respectful English (or Spanish) Mass. Or as my husband said some time ago, "I struggle just to get through our usual [Novus Ordo without Extraordinary Form rubrics] Sunday Mass." He went on to say the two Masses felt almost like different religions altogether.
47 posted on 01/12/2014 5:31:12 AM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: trebb

why use a language that so few in the laity understand and which relegates it to a “hear a sound, make a sound” session?

...what a flagrantly ignorant statement...

Don’t do it with the present day “speaking in tongues” where nobody has a clue what them guttural noises are.

...are you seriously supposing that I and others who regularly attend the TLM have no clue what is going on...do you doubt that a human being has the capacity to learn a few phrases of a foreign language that is for the most part unchanging from week to week, and can easily read with a hand held missal...?

...is it your contention that humankind needs every single thing in the world spoon fed to it, or it will understand nothing...what a bleak vision...


53 posted on 01/12/2014 11:27:08 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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