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To: quadrant

“If I’m not mistaken, the Lambeth Conference is a gathering of Anglican/Episcopalian bishops.”

Correct.

“The rest of the Protestant world - esp Baptists and evangelicals - has nothing to do with the conference or the decisions made there.”

Yes, but you’re missing the point. The entire body of Protestant sects - every last one of them of any note - rejected artificial birth control until Lambeth. The decision of Lambeth was quickly adopted by all major Protestant groups. Then, naturally, all of those same Protestant groups embraced abortion to one extent or another as well. Hence, only the Catholic Church remains pro-life to this day in the traditional sense of no baby killing under any circumstances. All other Christian denominations support baby killing or the culture of baby killing through use of birth control or outright abortion.


6 posted on 01/03/2014 9:13:47 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; quadrant
Then, naturally, all of those same Protestant groups embraced abortion to one extent or another as well.

About 30 years ago I heard a preacher in a "respectable" Presbyterian church, up there in the pulpit in his robes, lament the practice of abortion, and then qualify his statement with "but so MANY of them!" -- that is to say, abortion was OK to him under some (how many?) circumstances.

7 posted on 01/03/2014 9:18:30 PM PST by thecodont
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To: vladimir998

Baptists are of no note then? Well that is the fate of faithful servants of Christ. It’s rare to see glamorous Baptist cathedrals. Their worship centers often look like school buildings.

The reason they fare as well as they do is that they have managed to glorify Christ more in their beliefs and practice than most other Christian congregations. The famous Baptist “once saved always saved” which robustly proclaims an amazing power of Christ is a very sweet savor to God. At least, God must say, someone is not selling Me short down there and playing pussyfoot with My power.

It’s only happenstance (as we see it) that Baptists became this way. They’re from a pietistic offshoot of the post-Catholic Anglican church. There’s nothing particularly remarkable about the lineage of that community. The name they go under is not pretentious; it is about a practice that they consider ceremonial. But they have also managed to affirm the Hebrew thread of Christendom, which is another big plus of blessing for them.

For them to be of no note... well that’s a lot like Jesus in His day too.


11 posted on 01/03/2014 9:30:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: vladimir998
My family grew up in the Southern Baptist Church. My uncles were young randy men in 1930. I know from their tales that they avidly used contraception in the form of condoms without any pangs of conscience - and all were devout Baptists. In any event, Baptist churches are autonomous except for requiring a belief in Biblical inerrantcy. No central Baptist organization exists that has the right to decide matters such as birth control.
14 posted on 01/03/2014 9:35:53 PM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: vladimir998

do rubbers kill babies?


18 posted on 01/03/2014 9:41:01 PM PST by kvanbrunt2 (i don't believe any court in this country is operating lawfully anyway)
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To: vladimir998
“every last one of them of note” - the Southern Baptist Church is the largest Protestant denomination in the country. If numbers count, then the Baptists are of far more note than the Episcopalians.
19 posted on 01/03/2014 9:41:24 PM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: vladimir998

“All other Christian denominations support baby killing or the culture of baby killing”

One must be honest.

Contraception is not baby killing.


21 posted on 01/03/2014 9:45:14 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: vladimir998
"Hence, only the Catholic Church remains pro-life to this day in the traditional sense of no baby killing under any circumstances. All other Christian denominations support baby killing or the culture of baby killing through use of birth control or outright abortion."

I think your characterization of Catholics vs Protestants is both inaccurate and unwarranted.

From wikipedia....

The Catholic Church teaches that "human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception."[10] Accordingly, it opposes procedures whose purpose is to destroy an embryo or fetus for whatever motive (even before implantation), but admits acts, such as chemotherapy or hysterectomy of a pregnant woman who has cervical cancer, which indirectly result in the death of the fetus.

Apart from indicating in its canon law[18] that automatic excommunication such as that laid down for procurement of a completed abortion does not apply to women who abort because of a direct threat to the life of a mother if her pregnancy continues or indeed of any grave fear or grave inconvenience, the Catholic Church assures the possibility of forgiveness for women who have had an abortion without any such attenuation. Pope John Paul II wrote:

"I would now like to say a special word to women who have had an abortion. The Church is aware of the many factors which may have influenced your decision, and she does not doubt that in many cases it was a painful and even shattering decision. The wound in your heart may not yet have healed. Certainly what happened was and remains terribly wrong. But do not give in to discouragement and do not lose hope. Try rather to understand what happened and face it honestly. If you have not already done so, give yourselves over with humility and trust to repentance. The Father of mercies is ready to give you his forgiveness and is peace in the Sacrament of Reconciliation.[19]

Many, and in some countries most, Catholics disagree with the position promulgated by the Church; the views of these people range from allowing exceptions in a generally anti-abortion position, to complete acceptance of abortion.[20][21][22]


Catholics
In a 1995 survey, 64% of U.S. Catholics said they disapproved of the statement that "abortion is morally wrong in every case".[39] On the other hand, a 2013 survey by the Pew Research Center found that, whatever views they held on whether abortion should be legal, 53% of white Catholics in the United States considered abortion morally wrong, as did 64% of Hispanic Catholics. Among Hispanic Catholics, this percentage did not vary significantly between those who went to Mass at least once a week and those who did not, but there was a considerable difference in the case of white Catholics, with 74% of those who went to Mass at least once a week declaring having an abortion to be immoral, as compared with 40% of those whose religious practice was laxer.[67] A 2008 survey found that 65% of American Catholics identified themselves as "pro-choice", but also found that 76% of these "pro-choice" Catholics believed that abortion should be significantly restricted.[68] In the same year some 58% of American Catholic women felt that they did not have to follow the abortion teaching of their bishop.[69] Only 22% of U.S. Catholics held that abortion should be illegal in all cases.[70]

A 1996 survey found that 72% of Australian Catholics say that the decision to have an abortion "should be left to individual women and their doctors."[39]

I don't think the Bible says anything about contraception.

The Southern Baptists are against abortion. They allow contraception methods that prevent conception. And they allow for abortion to save the life of the mother. And since God gave man dominion over the earth and responsibility for social justice on earth, that would seem to be within our authority.

From the same wikipedia article...
Southern Baptist Convention
During the 1971 Southern Baptist Convention, the delegates passed a resolution recognizing that "Christians in the American society today are faced with difficult decisions about abortion", stating that laws should recognize the "sanctity of human life, including fetal life", and calling upon Southern Baptists to work for laws allowing abortion in extreme cases such as rape, severe fetal deformity, and the health of the mother.[33] The stance was described in the media as "hedging" on abortion and a resolution opposing all abortions was defeated.[34] W. Barry Garrett wrote in the Baptist Press, "Religious liberty, human equality and justice are advanced by the [Roe v. Wade] Supreme Court Decision."[35]

Today, the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the United States, opposes elective abortion except to save the life of the mother.[36] The Southern Baptist Convention calls on Southern Baptists to work to change the laws in order to make abortion illegal in most cases.[37] Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission has said that he believes abortion is more damaging than anything else, even poverty.[38]

I think your characterization of Catholics vs Protestants is both inaccurate and unwarranted.

45 posted on 01/03/2014 10:42:00 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: vladimir998
All other Christian denominations support baby killing or the culture of baby killing through use of birth control or outright abortion.

Why say something that you have to know is false? Not "ALL" other Christian denominations support "baby killing" through abortion OR other birth control methods that do that. That is flat out wrong.

Do you think that saying this will somehow convince pro-life Protestants to leave their churches for the Roman Catholic one? That is delusional. IF someone goes to a church that isn't overtly pro-life in its statement of faith, then that is something they can work on from the inside to change. THAT should be the ideal, not some contrived gimmick that hopes to sour a Christian against his denomination hoping he'll flee to Catholicism because they claim a consistent viewpoint on the subject. Was the Reformation about that or was it about all the other areas where Catholicism stopped being orthodox? Sorry, it'll take more than that to sway us.

48 posted on 01/03/2014 11:33:46 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: vladimir998

The slippery slop[e to liberalism. They may mouth the words of Conservatism but the evidence is there for all to see. There may be some that disagree with abortion/ ABC, but as a whole, no.


58 posted on 01/04/2014 2:38:18 AM PST by verga (Poor spiritual health oftern leads to poor physical and mental health)
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