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Any person that turned their back on Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. Turned their back on the sacraments, and thinks “me and Jesus got a good thing going, I don’t need no stinkin’ church to me what’s it’s all about”, is the delusional one.

Protestants come into the Catholic Church after careful study and contemplation. They feel God calling them home to the fullness of the faith. People that leave the Catholic Church, for any protestant denomination, were never devoted to the Catholic faith to start with and most leave the Catholic Church because they don’t like the all the moral conditions the Catholic Church placees on people. It is not easy being a Catholic. 2,000 years ago Jesus said if he was despised his followers would also be despised. He said if they hate you they hated Him first.

Catholicism is not for sissies. It takes a devoted man or woman to be a devout Catholic and some people just don’t have what it takes. They want to live their way and not God’s way. How many times have I heard a lapsed Catholic say “no church is going toe me what to do”. Hundreds. As in all fallen away Catholics. Different day,same story.


303 posted on 01/04/2014 4:33:16 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("Rather than love, than money, than fame, then give truth" ~ Henry David Thoreau)
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To: NKP_Vet
It is not easy being a Catholic.

I'll give you that one.

Problem is, Jesus said..... Matthew 11:28-30 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

So the admission that Catholicism isn't easy is an admission that Catholicism isn't about Jesus.

304 posted on 01/04/2014 5:22:52 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: NKP_Vet
Any person that turned their back on Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. Turned their back on the sacraments, and thinks “me and Jesus got a good thing going, I don’t need no stinkin’ church to me what’s it’s all about”, is the delusional one.

Your attempts to even argue for Rome continue to be an argument against being a RC due to what RCs such as you example it effects! Blind zeal.

You make spurious assertion after assertion, presuming the very thing that needs to be proved, as well as resorting to invalid comparisons and misrepresentations.

You broadly deny Protestants as being part of the body of Christ, and that they have sacraments, yet your own liberal church affirms they do, being baptized, including those in "ecclesial communities," which is code for evangelical types "who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal," (LUMEN GENTIUM)

You attempt to compare Rome with all that is placed under the category called "Protestants," based upon division from Rome, which is meaningless, as it even includes cults which deny historical Prot truths, while the model Rome operates under, sola ecclesia, is what such operate under as well. Rome is just one more asserting she is right under the cultic premise of assured veracity.

You also attempt to counter conservative evangelicals by invoking Episcopal types, who are actually closer to Rome and which evangelicals oppose. And which also can be substantiated.

And going further, here you describe Prots as "i don’t need no stinkin’ church," which is such an absurd misrepresentation that it would be laughable if not so grievous, as Prots exist in churches, and the type of Prots (fundamental evangelicals) you are manifestly dealing with here testify to far more commitment to Christ than RCs overall.

People that leave the Catholic Church, for any protestant denomination, were never devoted to the Catholic faith to start with

Which is simply another of your absurd assertions that presume what is not substantiated, and cannot be, but is a vain assumption. I for one was very committed, as were others, and the substantiation shows others were. But your arguments are like that of a bigot for Rome that is devoted to his own contrived conclusion!

because they don’t like the all the moral conditions the Catholic Church places on people.

Which is just contrary to what surveys tells us about RC converts to Protestantism, in which only 15% say they left because they stopped believing in its teachings, while the majority cited a lack of spiritual fulfillment as a reason for leaving. ( http://pewforum.org/uploadedfiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/fullreport.pdf)

In addition, it is Catholics that are on a par or worse than the general public in moral views, and Catholics and even weekly ones are overall less conservative in their moral views than evangelicals overall, as is substantiated .

It is not easy being a Catholic...Catholicism is not for sissies. It takes a devoted man or woman to be a devout Catholic..

That is also simply absurd and your own imagination as you do not need to be devout top be a Catholic, as Rome treats even notorious impenitent public sinners as members in life and in death, as can be proved! Tt remains you simply have no real argument, and once again your bigoted assertions serve to provide evidence against Rome. Keep it up or give it up, its up to you.

305 posted on 01/04/2014 5:23:56 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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