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To: PrairieDawg

“You wrote: salvation is through a hierarchical church. So, salvation has nothing to do with Jesus? Is it your contention that the hierarchical church is more important than Jesus? What say you about Jesus and the sufficiency of his blood - do you need more than that? “

No, it is by and through Jesus we are saved. HOWEVER, He didn’t leave us orphans, ascending to heaven and throwing down an intact New Testament shouting “Good luck, y’all.”

Matthew 16:18-19 carefully consider he is handing to Peter the power to loose and bind. And after the resurrection, he asks Simon Peter 3 times “do you love me?” Peter replies in the affirmative. — Essentially he is being forgiven by Jesus for denying him 3 times. He is told to “feed my lambs, tend my sheep.” Peter is the head guy. Acts 1 shows this, after the ascension they all gather, and Peter is the leader. And does your church follow the teaching in John 6 that they are to consecrate bread and wine which becomes the actual body and blood of Christ? If your church doesn’t follow that, they don’t have the fullness of the faith. You are missing out. You are like Judas — who turned away from Christ because of that teaching. The end of John 6 records as much.


47 posted on 12/28/2013 4:38:26 AM PST by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: gemoftheocean
Matthew 16:18-19 carefully consider he is handing to Peter the power to loose and bind.

No; He's not.


Matthew 16:13-18
 13.  When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
 14.  They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
 15.  "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
 16.  Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,  the Son of the living God."
 17.  Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
 18.  And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades  will not overcome it.

 19.  I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be  bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
 
Chapters and verses were invented later; as we all know...
 
   When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"   They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."   "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"  Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,  the Son of the living God."   Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.   And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades  will not overcome it.    I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be  bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
 
 
Reading the text we can see that Jesus is talking to the GROUP of disciples; and He is answered by the impulsive one SIMON Peter.
After dealing with Peter, He states - to the group -  I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be  bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
 
Catholic teaching limits this to Peter.

72 posted on 12/28/2013 5:38:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: gemoftheocean
No, it is by and through Jesus we are saved. HOWEVER, He didn’t leave us orphans, ascending to heaven and throwing down an intact New Testament shouting “Good luck, y’all.”

No, He sent us the Holy Spirit to live within us. He did NOT send the Catholic church to strong arm people into submission to it under threat of eternal damnation which it claims it can impose on those who won't comply.

98 posted on 12/28/2013 9:16:01 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: gemoftheocean

“And does your church follow the teaching in John 6 that they are to consecrate bread and wine which becomes the actual body and blood of Christ? If your church doesn’t follow that, they don’t have the fullness of the faith.”

I get the story Romans believe. It is clean and understandablen for the religious masses. We just don’t believe what you wrote is Biblically true. So condemn away, based on the simple story you believe.

I think Satan already has the role of “Accuser of the Brethren”.


101 posted on 12/28/2013 9:20:01 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truthorth reading)
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