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To: restornu; Jeff Head; reaganaut; teppe; Elsie; All
If The Savior Stood Beside Me

Which Savior are you referencing?

Jesus, or the "savior" Joseph Smith as referenced by Lds "apostle" Erastus Snow:

"Nor need we wait in our faith and in our expectations till all these great and glorious things shall have been accomplished on the earth before the Prophet Joseph Smith shall come unto us again. He has merely taken another mission in advance of us. He fulfilled the mission given unto him on earth. The Lord was satisfied with his labors here. He lived long enough to endow his brethren with full authority to carry on the work that he had begun on the earth. He took his departure behind the veil. The Lord suffered his enemies to destroy him in the flesh, to take away his life, and he was made an offering—what shall I say? an offering for sin...."
Source: Near Coming of Christ...Joseph Smith's Mission...Another Mission to Be Undertaken...

There ya go: An Lds "apostle" -- speaking in The Tabernacle in Logan, Utah in February 1884...claiming that Smith "was made an...offering for sin"!

And then tell us, Lds, how often have you sung the Mormon hymns "Praise to the Man" -- and "The Seer, the Seer, Joseph the Seer?"

Praise to the Man:

Comparison of 'The True Gospel' vs. 'Praise to the Man' (Joseph Smith) lyrics

The true Gospel

The false bad news 'gospel' of Joseph Smith-Centricism as found in 'Praise to the Man'

Jesus atoning for the sins of mankind by shedding his blood All mankind will need to atone for the sin of shedding Joseph's blood -- as if all the earth was guilty of such an act!

And then look @ the Messianic overtones of the quotes included by Reaganaut in post #122...Here's two of those citations:

"He died for those he loved. He reigns in the realms above." (3rd President John Taylor, Hymns #296, "The Seer, Joseph, The Seer." While this hymn was written in the 18th century, it is still in use as evidenced by its performance by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir during the 175th Semi-Annual General Conference of the LDS Church in October, 2005.)
...He was "a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief." (BYU Professor Robert Millet, Ensign, 9/1994, p.19.)

Why you'd think that Lds proph John Taylor & BYU prof Rbt Millet would be speaking of THE Savior, Jesus Christ. But they weren't: They were inserting Joseph Smith there!

So, far, I've seen SEVEN -- count them SEVEN -- different Mormon hymnals/praise books by 1948 which have had John Taylor's The Seer, the Seer, Joseph the Seer! in them. Depending upon which Mormon hymnbook/praise song book you had --
1948 - Hymn #238
1927 - Hymn #303
1912 - Hymn #286
1908 - Hymn #187
1891 and before - Hymn #290...
...And it looks like it was Hymn #290 in the original Mormon hymnbook -- at least its in the 1851 version:

1851 Sacred Hymns and Spiritual Songs for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints By Brigham YOUNG, Parley Parker PRATT, Franklin D. Richards, pp. 337-338

And this hymnbook was revised about every couple of years ...at least I know that by 1891, they had its 20th edition out on it.

1891 Hymn 290: The Seer, The Seer, Joseph the Seer!

All: Here are the actual lyrics from John Taylor's "The Seer, the Seer. Joseph the Seer!"

And note, how "appropo" that these lyrics were FIRST published by the Mormons on January 1 [1845]

I've placed the most open idolatrous lyrics in the largest type below:

The Seer, the Seer. Joseph the Seer by Lds 'Prophet' John Taylor

The seer;—the seer;—Joseph the seer—

I’ll sing of the Prophet ever dear: His equal now cannot be found,—

By searching the wide world around.

With Gods he soared, in the realms of day;

And men he taught the heavenly way.

The earthly seer! the heavenly seer, I love to dwell on his mem’ry dear:—

The chose of God, and the friend of men, He brought the priesthood back again, He gazed on the past, on the present too;— And ope’d the heav’nly world to view.

Of noble seed—of heavenly birth, He came to bless the sons of earth:

With keys by the Almighty given,

He opened the full rich stores of heaven,

O’er the world that was wrapt in sable night,

Like the sun he spread his golden light.

He strove,—O, how he strove to stay, The stream of crime in its reckless way—

with a mighty mind,

and a noble aim He urg’d the wayward to reclaim: ‘Mid the foaming billows of argry strife— He stood at the helm, of the ship of life. The saints;—the saints; his only pride,

For them he liv’d, for them he died!

Their joys were his;—their sorrows too;— He lov’d the saints;—he lov’d Nauvoo. Unchanged in death, with a Saviors love

He pleads their cause, in the courts above. The seer;—the seer—Joseph the seer! O, how I love his memory dear, The just and wise, the pure

and free,

A father he was, and is to me.

Let fiends now rage in their dark hour;— No matter, he is beyond their power. He’s free;—he’s free;—the Prophet’s free! He is where he will ever be, Beyond the reach of mobs and strife, He rests unharm’d in endless life, His home’s in the sky;—

he dwells with the Gods,

Far from the furious rage of mobs.

He died; he died—for those he lov’d, He reigns;—he reigns in realms above,

He waits with the just who have gone before, To welcome the saints to Zions shore; Shout, shout ye saints—this boon is given, We’ll meet our martyr’d seer in heaven.

Meant to be sung to the tune: The Sea. Times and Seasons, 1 January 1845

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ALL: Did you catch the Messianic 'Savior' attributes this worship song to Joseph Smith contains?

Verse 3: 'For them he liv’d, for them he died!'

Last verse: 'He died; he died—for those he lov’d'


158 posted on 12/28/2013 3:03:33 PM PST by Colofornian (Lds: why does the D&C 88:81-82 warning commission ONLY apply to privileged Mormons?)
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To: teppe; Jeff Head

I am so thankful that my Lord and Savior does not require me to have a hateful, slanderous hard heart in order to show Him that I love Him!


166 posted on 12/28/2013 6:07:36 PM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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