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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
lol..I knew it!

But at LEAST you are attempting to discuss though it is chock full of insults. Why don't we attempt a reasonable discussion?

There is no mandate in scripture that requires the laying on of hands to receive the Spirit,

Oh, yes, only that Christ taught it as a basic foundation of Christianity and that all the disciples practiced it. Other than that not a word.

Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Those verse talk about the nature of the spirit...it's paranormal...and not how it comes to indwell in believers.

“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Addressed in the article.

Nice try, but your response is based on many suppositions and traditional beliefs.

8 posted on 12/22/2013 3:38:27 PM PST by DouglasKC
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“Oh, yes, only that Christ taught it as a basic foundation of Christianity”


No He didn’t. That’s your claim, upon finding many verses wherein hands were laid upon, but none of which deny the promise that salvation is offered to all those who believe.

There are no verses that say “You must receive the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands from the UCG’s ministers.” There are many verses which declare that salvation is for whoever believes, though.

“Those verse talk about the nature of the spirit...it’s paranormal...and not how it comes to indwell in believers.”


“Paranormal” is an interesting word, but Christ says that the Spirit “blows where He listeth,” that is, where He wants. This is an echo of the first chapter in John as well:

Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

If regeneration and the infilling of the Spirit requires the laying on of hands, then it is “by the will of the flesh, and the will of man.” And, therefore, not by the “will of God,” or the “listing” of the Spirit.

“Addressed in the article.”


Not really, since the scripture neither declares that it is necessary to receive the Spirit by the laying on of hands, nor does it say that it was an exception to the rule, then all you’re doing is reading your own invention into the text to support another invention.

You would also need to find a way to save the Thief on the cross without the laying on of hands, and any Christian who does not have access to an Apostle. You also didn’t address the fact that conversion, itself, the giving of faith, is the act of the Holy Spirit. And yet, this is done without the laying on of hands.

“Nice try, but your response is based on many suppositions and traditional beliefs.”


Your supposition is that the Holy Spirit must be given by those with the authority to do so, which takes the authority away from God, and gives it to the members of your church.

All I did was quote scripture.


13 posted on 12/22/2013 3:50:57 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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