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“Oh, yes, only that Christ taught it as a basic foundation of Christianity”


No He didn’t. That’s your claim, upon finding many verses wherein hands were laid upon, but none of which deny the promise that salvation is offered to all those who believe.

There are no verses that say “You must receive the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands from the UCG’s ministers.” There are many verses which declare that salvation is for whoever believes, though.

“Those verse talk about the nature of the spirit...it’s paranormal...and not how it comes to indwell in believers.”


“Paranormal” is an interesting word, but Christ says that the Spirit “blows where He listeth,” that is, where He wants. This is an echo of the first chapter in John as well:

Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

If regeneration and the infilling of the Spirit requires the laying on of hands, then it is “by the will of the flesh, and the will of man.” And, therefore, not by the “will of God,” or the “listing” of the Spirit.

“Addressed in the article.”


Not really, since the scripture neither declares that it is necessary to receive the Spirit by the laying on of hands, nor does it say that it was an exception to the rule, then all you’re doing is reading your own invention into the text to support another invention.

You would also need to find a way to save the Thief on the cross without the laying on of hands, and any Christian who does not have access to an Apostle. You also didn’t address the fact that conversion, itself, the giving of faith, is the act of the Holy Spirit. And yet, this is done without the laying on of hands.

“Nice try, but your response is based on many suppositions and traditional beliefs.”


Your supposition is that the Holy Spirit must be given by those with the authority to do so, which takes the authority away from God, and gives it to the members of your church.

All I did was quote scripture.


13 posted on 12/22/2013 3:50:57 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
No He didn’t. That’s your claim, upon finding many verses wherein hands were laid upon, but none of which deny the promise that salvation is offered to all those who believe.

No, that's the claim of Jesus and Paul:

Hbr 6:1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
Hbr 6:2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

I'll just edit out your insults to keep the flow better.

If regeneration and the infilling of the Spirit requires the laying on of hands, then it is “by the will of the flesh, and the will of man.” And, therefore, not by the “will of God,” or the “listing” of the Spirit.

Well since that's what it says in scripture and what Jesus taught as doctrine and what Paul taught in doctrine and what was practiced by the disciples then maybe you're misunderstanding something.

You would also need to find a way to save the Thief on the cross without the laying on of hands, and any Christian who does not have access to an Apostle.

Well since that's what it says in scripture and what Jesus taught as doctrine and what Paul taught in doctrine and what was practiced by the disciples then maybe you're misunderstanding something about the thief on the cross. For example does it say he went to heaven or was saved?

17 posted on 12/22/2013 5:07:10 PM PST by DouglasKC
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