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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
No He didn’t. That’s your claim, upon finding many verses wherein hands were laid upon, but none of which deny the promise that salvation is offered to all those who believe.

No, that's the claim of Jesus and Paul:

Hbr 6:1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
Hbr 6:2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

I'll just edit out your insults to keep the flow better.

If regeneration and the infilling of the Spirit requires the laying on of hands, then it is “by the will of the flesh, and the will of man.” And, therefore, not by the “will of God,” or the “listing” of the Spirit.

Well since that's what it says in scripture and what Jesus taught as doctrine and what Paul taught in doctrine and what was practiced by the disciples then maybe you're misunderstanding something.

You would also need to find a way to save the Thief on the cross without the laying on of hands, and any Christian who does not have access to an Apostle.

Well since that's what it says in scripture and what Jesus taught as doctrine and what Paul taught in doctrine and what was practiced by the disciples then maybe you're misunderstanding something about the thief on the cross. For example does it say he went to heaven or was saved?

17 posted on 12/22/2013 5:07:10 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

18 posted on 12/22/2013 5:08:44 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: DouglasKC

“No, that’s the claim of Jesus and Paul:”


No, it really isn’t the claim of either Jesus or Paul. There is no scripture that says that the Holy Spirit must be given by the “laying on of hands.” That’s just your assumption, reading the “laying on of hands” and connecting it with the claims of your non-Trinitarian church.

“Well since that’s what it says in scripture and what Jesus taught as doctrine and what Paul taught in doctrine”


But the scripture doesn’t say that. Your argument is essentially to take every instance of the “laying on of hands,” and to conclude from thence that it must be required to receive the Spirit, even though not every instance actually supports your views. You do not actually explain all of the scripture, such as, 1) the offering of salvation to any who believe, which is not compatible with your view. 2) The fact that not all those who received the Spirit or were saved had hands laid on them. 3) The fact that signs and wonders accompanied the giving of the Spirit in those days, which is no longer given in our day, and definitely not by the UCG. 4) That the Spirit is said to be sovereign in regeneration, moving as He “listeth” during Christ’s explanation to Nicodemus about the necessity of being born again. 5) The Prevenient action of the Holy Spirit prior to salvation, which is not accomplished through the laying on of hands.

“For example does it say he went to heaven or was saved?”


It says he went to paradise “this day” with Christ. Unless paradise is another word for hell, the Thief is in quite good hands.


20 posted on 12/22/2013 5:19:27 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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