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To: Salvation; Bulwyf
Catholics are Christians. In fact, the first Christians. Where are you getting this idea that Catholics are not Christians? A pamphlet? A wayward preacher?

Sorry; the first followers of Yah'shua were Messianic Jews.

Later through Paul, gentiles were grafted on to the vine.

Much later the Roman "church" was created in 325CE
by the pagan, Constantine.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
58 posted on 12/22/2013 5:10:12 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; Buggman
Sorry; the first followers of Yah'shua were Messianic Jews.

It is true that they were Jews. It is true they believed Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah.

However, they never called themselves "messianic Jews." Others called them "Christians". Throughout the New Testament, Paul referred to them as believers, brothers, etc. Not once did he say "Messianics."

That is a far more recent name. It's a name I have no problem with in terms of a group providing itself a name that also offers an explanation of its positions. There is much about the Messianics that I've run across that is admirable. IMHO, they need to work a bit more on how they explain their Trinitarian views -- because they do appear Trinitarian to me -- but they get there by a circuitous biblical logic that makes the head spin.

59 posted on 12/22/2013 5:18:43 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

*8the first followers of Yah’shua were Messianic Jews.**

And they went to synagogue on Saturday and then they celebrated the Eucharist on Sundays in house churches.


65 posted on 12/22/2013 6:02:41 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; xzins; Salvation
the Roman "church" was created in 325CE

the church disappeared in 325 AD ... where did they go and when did they re-emerge?
274 posted on 01/01/2014 10:35:09 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (NO CYNICISM SOLICITORS ALLOWED)
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