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Posted on 12/22/2013 7:28:20 AM PST by DouglasKC
“The Christian faith has not been tried and found wanting. It has rather been found difficult and left untried.” —Chesterton
I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending.The story of Jesus is either the greatest event in history or the cruelest hoax. If it is a hoax, then the whole of the Christian message crumbles together with the hopes of those multitudes of lives built on his name. The apostle Paul said:
“And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up; if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.” -1 Corinthians 15:14-19 (NKJV)
But if the story is true, then this world has been hit with extraordinary news of earth-shaking consequences. Have you taken the trouble to decide which it is?
In a matter this weighty, it is in your interest to explore the truth or falsity of Christ's claims. Amazingly however, many people who don't believe have never bothered to explore the evidence in support of Jesus,[1] but to the contrary, often run away from it. At the same time, many Christians themselves are not sure, at bottom, whether the claims of their faith are solid. Is the Christian claim a hoax? Is it just wishful thinking? Or is it actually true?
(Excerpt) Read more at christiananswers.net ...
There is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood right? So how is proclaiming Jesus Christ is Truly God and Truly man as the most perfect and spotless Lamb of God Who shed His Royal Blood for the remission of sins?
You lost the scriptural argument of comparison texts strongly in favor of subservient son of God... and you will not admit it. Every post is evading that fact now. Good evening to you.
If Jesus was called God by the Father, worship him thus....if Christ is to be called God by men, why did God also not condemn this action by men?(via the prophet Isaiah)
After all, God is not a man, nor would he exchange his glory with sinful men; right?
The prophet says a child is born who is to be called all these things....now you can argue against Jesus being this person if you wish, but Isaiah is still saying that a person is going to be born who is going to be referred to as “mighty God, the ever lasting father”. So are you saying that perhaps Isaiah was a false prophet? Are you prepared to go that far?
You never answered any of the posed questions nor did you provide scriptural evidence. Can you at least address the lexicon questions?
Those are very good and intelligent questions. Several posters have asked the same as in yours truly. However don’t expect an answer. Oh you will get a response, just not an answer.
I don’t see agreement with a majority as necessarily a virtue or confirmation of anything as Jesus said the road leading off into destruction was broad and full.
In the past I’ve devoted much space to “making my case” from the Scriptures and find that for the majority their beliefs will trump the Scriptures every time, for instance the use of the term “God the Son”, whereas neither Jesus nor anyone else ever referred to Him as “God the Son” but time after time as “Son of God”, quite a different thing.
“Full God”? Jesus himself hakes the case that in every way, power, authority, knowledge, he is inferior to and subordinate to his father but his simple Scriptural teaching will be blandly dismissed with the argument that was only while Jesus was at the same time “full human”.
Of course Jesus made no such distinction so it must be a “mystery”,
So let those who attempt to turn the Scriptures up-side-down, “God the Son” vs. “Son of God” make their case against the Scriptures. I’ll be happy to examine the Scriptures with them one Scripture at a time.
The term Son of God refers to His Divine family. God the Son remains obedient to the Plan of God the Father. One God, three persons.
Why is it that human beings want to put God in a box and conform to what they think God should be?
I suspect when God looks at us, in some of us he see’s older versions of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=ki8EcnVbd-Q
You have overlooked a major point!
Jesus Christ is not a son of God in the same sense as others. He is the ONLY-BEGOTTEN Son of God, as we read in John 1:14, 1:18, 3:16, 3:18, and 1 John 4:9. The Greek is monogenes, which is mono (one) and genes (kind). Jesus is one of a kind, the UNIQUE Son of God, deity from deity.
So much for arguing the evidence as written in John 4:24. Oh well.
Wow! Wasn’t assigning an action of God to Satan a rather serious sin? Saying that the belief that Jesus is God comes from Satan is a rather serious thing.
I think not. Failing to admit that Jesus was fully man and speaking as a man at times and that He was also fully God only shows blindness to the truth. This is NOT a game and denying the deity of Christ will result in dyer consequences.
“argument with a majority”
False use of that fallacy. The point is that ALL Christians, except for a few heretics that were ostracized and booted from Christianity...believed in Jesus as full man and full God.
“Only God can send the Holy Spirit....The Holy Spirit is referred to in Scripture as both the Spirit of the Father (Mt 10:20, Rom 8:10-11, and as the Spirit of the Son (Rom 8:9, Gal 4:6, Phil 1:19, 1 Pt 1:11). Statements saying that the Spirit is “of” the other two Persons of the Trinity indicate that his Person is tightly bound up with and originates from them (just as the Son is the Son “of” the Father). “
I have not overlooked a major point, it simply wasn’t the point I was making. But thank you for enriching my post with your comments.
Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are,
If I remember correctly Jesus called the Pharisees a “generation of vipers”.
The only thing you have shown by that comparison is that Jesus spoke about His role as “the son of man” as the perfect sacrifice. You have consistently denied His role as truly “God with us”.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
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