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BOMBSHELL! POPE HOLDS UP AS A MODEL CURIALISTS OF PRE-VCII CHURCH AND HOW THEY FUNCTIONED!
Southern Orders ^ | December 20, 2013 | Fr. Allan J. McDonald

Posted on 12/21/2013 1:55:01 PM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 12/21/2013 1:55:01 PM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Liberal? Conservative? Catholic! Ping


2 posted on 12/21/2013 1:55:46 PM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

???


3 posted on 12/21/2013 1:58:48 PM PST by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama the Doctor Mengele of Medical Care)
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To: NYer; Salvation
I have such high regard for these “Monsignori” who are cut from the same mould as the curiales of olden times, exemplary persons, Pope Francis.

He's a hypocrite.

Report: Pope stops naming monsignors

4 posted on 12/21/2013 2:44:42 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: NYer

Yeah, I’m going to need someone to translate this.


5 posted on 12/21/2013 2:52:48 PM PST by piusv
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To: ebb tide; Salvation
He's a hypocrite.

How so? According to the information posted at your link ...

Pope Francis has stopped granting priests the honorary title of "monsignor" in advance of an October meeting ...

Some have criticized the practice, saying it leads to an air of careerism in the church.

The title is honorific and the pope suspended granting it in advance of an October meeting.

Why is this issue so important to you?

6 posted on 12/21/2013 2:53:33 PM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

So I read up on the Roman Curia (Court) whenever a Pope dies or in the case of Pope Benedict retires the entire Curia except the Cardinal Camerlengo and Major Penitentiary resign their office (sede vacante)

I think Pope Francis is utilizing what he knows of serving his entire life in South America. The Pontificial Commission for Latin America is a dicastery of the Roman Curia. Established by Pope Pius XII on April 19, 1958, it is charged with providing assistance to and examining matters pertaining to the Church in Latin America.

I am not Catholic, but what does the Catholic Church in Latin America believe. It was established prior to Vatican Council II in the 1960s.

Just maybe the church will return to its Conservative roots. i will try to dig a little more information.


7 posted on 12/21/2013 2:54:38 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: NYer
I commented on this that if Pope Francis felt the need to say this to the Curia, secular political folks need it even more. Especially American political folks, on both sides of the aisle.
8 posted on 12/21/2013 2:57:55 PM PST by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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To: NYer
"Pope sends out his blessing and thanks to people who did necessary, but often thankless and seemingly meaningless, work for The Church."

I'm floored!

9 posted on 12/21/2013 3:00:15 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: hondact200
Just maybe the church will return to its Conservative roots.

Before attributing the label conservative, may I suggest you visit this thread.

TWO WORDS THAT CATHOLICS NEED TO STOP USING…LIKE NOW

10 posted on 12/21/2013 3:05:28 PM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer
Why is this issue so important to you?

The issue is not what is important to me. The issue is why does the pope now praise those who hold an "honorific" title, the same title he has suspended granting.

11 posted on 12/21/2013 3:14:49 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: hondact200
I am not Catholic, but what does the Catholic Church in Latin America believe. It was established prior to Vatican Council II in the 1960s.

The Catholic Church is universal, and has been in place since soon after Jesus's Death and Resurrection. What the Church teaches in Rome, she teaches in Latin America, and in North America, Asia, Europe and Africa. If Bishops in one place seem to disregard some teaching or other, it doesn't mean the Church in that area is different.

Each Catholic is responsible to God for his or her own soul, and needs to learn what the teachings are, in addition to what they may have learned in Sunday School. It is very easy to get a Catechism of the Catholic Church and read up on what the Church teaches on any subject, and the Scripture on which the teaching is based.

12 posted on 12/21/2013 3:25:04 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ebb tide

I see your point. I don’t think that’s hypocrisy. I think it comes off as being disingenuous.


13 posted on 12/21/2013 3:30:30 PM PST by piusv
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To: ZULU

Gossip is, of course, the biting issue of our time.


14 posted on 12/21/2013 3:35:56 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: ebb tide
Well, you are pretty quick on the trigger with the word "hypocrite."

He can say he admires the monsigniori of old, but refrain from giving anyone that title, just as he could say he admires the pious kings and emperors of old, but refrain from giving anyone courtly rank today.

In other words, he could admire those men but judge that the title or office is not appropriate or not needed. Or would you have him crown a new Holy Roman Emperor?

Saying he's a hypocrite is uncalled-for, and shows a hastiness which is truly wince-worthy.

15 posted on 12/21/2013 3:39:42 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Come, Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of Thy faithful, and kindle in them the fire of Thy love.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Being a Monarchist, I would say “yes”.


16 posted on 12/21/2013 3:45:32 PM PST by AceMineral (Some people are slaves of their own stupidity.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; NYer; Salvation

You’re throwing out a bunch of suppositions. I’ve merely stated facts. And the facts point to hypocrisy.


17 posted on 12/21/2013 3:53:41 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: AceMineral

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18 posted on 12/21/2013 3:56:29 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Come, Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of Thy faithful, and kindle in them the fire of Thy love.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
He can say he admires the monsigniori of old, ...

I really don't think this pope admires anything of "old", especially the traditional Latin Mass, the Holy Crusaders, etc.

19 posted on 12/21/2013 3:57:26 PM PST by ebb tide
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So let’s get this straight for a minute. The current Pope no longer confers the title of Monsignor to priest as an honorary title because he feels it’s an unnecessary honor. ,But when he thanks retiring clergy for years of dedicated service they deserve, and another Pope conferred the title, he’s a hypocrite? You guys need to take a step back and think about this a bit more. He’s trying to simplify the church, eliminating the title of Monsignor, but isn’t supposed to thank the old monsignori for their life’s devotion. I’d say you need to find another fault with this guy. This isn’t hypocrisy or disingenuousness.


20 posted on 12/21/2013 3:59:27 PM PST by irish guard
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