Posted on 12/21/2013 9:38:09 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
[Prefatory notes] Defining and using terms in this debate is fraught with difficulties. Gay can be a political term of the sexual left. Many consider homosexual to be pejorative. Then there is same-sex attracted. I am using gay out of deference to the good people I am writing about.
Homophile was the term used for gay groups in the 1950s and 60s, prior to the birth of the modern gay rights movement.
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Never before has a devout, vocal, and coherent group of educated, thoughtful, and orthodox gay Christians sought to articulate what the Churchs teaching might mean for someone who is not attracted to the opposite sex.
Chris Damian wrote that in the blogIdeas of a Universityhe ran at Notre Dame University where he took an undergraduate degree in Philosophy last year. Damian also studied at the Angelicum in Rome and is now working on a law degree at the University of St. Thomas. Damian is gay and a faithful Catholic. Hes describing a new school of which he is a prominent memberout and proud men and at least one woman and their straight friends calling for the Church to develop Her teaching on homosexuality.
They are the New Homophiles and they accept the Churchs teaching that sexual activity can only occur between married men and women. They oppose a redefinition of marriage to include anyone else. They are fine, if that is the right word, with living celibate lives. They do not want to stop being gay; they dont believe they can or even should. They believe God made them gay so they want to be known as gay and they want the Church to accept them on those terms. And they believe being gay is part of Gods plan and vocation for them.
They believe the Churchs teaching on homosexuality and certainly the way it is often talked about by Christians is highly limiting, often insulting, hardly ever welcoming, and in desperate need of development. They are out to change that with their lives and with their writing.
Eve Tushnet may be the progenitor of the New Homophiles. The eccentric and often brilliant daughter of a non-observant Jewish Georgetown law professor and a Unitarian legal activist, Tushnet grew up in Washington DC and knew herself to be gay from a young age. At Yale she came into contact with whats called the Party of the Right, a part of the Yale Political Union, and the birthing place of many noted conservatives.
She told New York Times columnist Mark Oppenheimer that the Catholics she met at the Party of the Right taught that the presence of sin does not mean you are bad but that It means you have a chance to come back and repent and be saved.
Tushnet is out, proud, celibate, and a Catholic faithful to the Magisterium. Tushnet says she is in love with the Church, its beauty and sensual glamour. She loves the Churchs insistence that seemingly irreconcilable needs could both be met in Gods overwhelming love: justice and mercy, reason and mystery, a savior who is fully God and also fully human. Tushnet is a true believer but she also speaks fondly in remembrance of her own lesbian experiences. All this is enough to give faithful Catholics vertigo.
Elizabeth Scalia, who is not gay, came to prominence under the nom de blog The Anchoress and is now the editor of the Catholic portal at Patheos. Her brother was gay and died from AIDs and she is perhaps the Momma Bear of the New Homophiles.
Scalia usually treads lightly but surely on the question of homosexuality. She likely understands how difficult this new message is for the kind of Catholics who read her.
She began one provocative column at First Things quoting gay playwright Larry Kramer who told a television audience at the Tony Awards in 2011 that gays are a very special people, an exceptional people, and that our day will come. Scalia answered, perhaps Kramer is right. Perhaps homosexuals are in fact special and exceptional others, whose distinctions are meant to be noted. Perhaps they are a necessary other created and called to play a specific role in our shared humanity. Note the careful triple perhaps, a columnists way of taking something off the fastball but throwing a strike nonetheless.
Gay exceptionalism and charism are a regular theme for the New Homophiles. Gabriel Blanchard who calls himself a gay, anarchist Christian used to believe that celibacy was a kind of second prize, behind marriage and the priesthood. He is now fiddling with the idea that he is gay because he is celibate, that his homosexuality was incorporated, or permitted by God, so as to help me discern my vocation to lay celibacy? He claims gay exceptionalism allows gays to have lower tension in dealing with the opposite sex and a more intuitive understanding of certain forms of mysticism. Perhaps.
One of the most prolific of the new school is Joshua Gonnerman who is studying for a PhD at Catholic University in Washington DC. He, too, believes in gay-exceptionalism; there are many things he finds valuable about his experience of being gay, and considers that same-sex desire can be a gift to the Church, a sign of contradiction.
The New Homophiles believe because of their gayness they have a unique ability to build close friendships, something that is lacking in our modern age. Chris Damian points to the intense friendship John Henry Newman had with another priest, going so far as insist he and the priest be buried together. Damian says flat out that Newman was gay and that the friendship with Father Ambrose St. John was the fruit of that. Perhaps.
They are inspired by the work of St. Aelred of Rievault, a twelfth century Abbot and writer considered one of the Cistercian Fathers, who wrote a seminal work still read closely in Trappist monasteries, On Spiritual Friendship. Aelred has been adopted by many gays, some of whom celebrate his feast day. Some claim he was gay though gays have a penchant for claiming historical figures as gay, often with little real evidence.
Their ideal is that you can draw close to someone of the same-sex, love them intimately and intensely, yet never cross the line into sexual activity. They point to the relationship between Jesus and young John as a model. Recall John was the one whom Jesus loved and who laid his head on Jesus chest, something if done today would clearly be considered gay.
But here they are playing with the hottest of fires. Perhaps this is possible for Christ and for saints like Newman but for others it could be a serious problem. This is why married men should avoid intimate friendships with women and why priests should also. This is why married men and priests who form intimate friendships with women often lose their way and ruin their vocations.
Experts at lay celibacy include the Numeraries of Opus Dei. These men and women commit themselves to apostolic celibacy, live in community and dedicate their lives to Christ and spreading the good news through close friendships. But you will never find male or female Numeraries becoming close friends with the opposite sex. It is quite literally playing with fire.
Other experts at lay celibacy include every faithful Catholic who has never been married or who has been widowed. They, too, are called at least for a time, perhaps their whole lives, to celibacy.
There is also something at least a little bit narcissistic about this claim of gay-exceptionalism, that they are experiencing things no others have ever experienced, or that they have unique gifts given to them by dint of their sexual orientation. One of the writers even speaks of the contributions of gay culture though most people would only know the caricature of camp, show tunes and dressing up.
What they want more than anything is a development of doctrine. The Church teaches that homosexuality is objectively disordered and that homosexual sex is an act of grave depravity. The Church sees homosexuality as a psychological issue the genesis of which remains largely unexplained. There is clearly a long way to go from this to Church seeing homosexuality as a gift not just to the gay person but to the Body of Christ.
The gauntlet they are throwing down is for themselves and for us. For them it is to live chastely, to have intimate nonsexual friendships that will never cross the line.
For us it is to accept them as they are and not believe they must be changed. We may hold that their homosexuality is an Augustinian thorn as many of them do. Similarly we may even hold that it can be a kind of sickle cell anemia, a malady that also comes with benefits, as one of them wrote. But we may not hold that there is anything really wrong with their orientation.
The conversation is fascinating and I must admit I started out annoyed. After all, there are good men and women trying to be faithful but who reject the gay identity, and others who are trying to deal with the underlying psychological genesis of unwanted same-sex attraction, a process the New Homophiles largely dismiss. It will be hard for many of us to believe the Church ever could develop to the extent wanted by this school of writers and thinkers. From a disorder to a gift is a long long way to go.
The New Homophiles are not without their gay critics. In two weeks I will write about them.
Ponder and share your ponderings, debate and join the debate -- but please, no easy contemptuous language.
You know what I'm talking about.
Thank you.
Say it loud, chaste and proud?
I know I'm running a risk of a trashing by posting this --- look, if all you want to do is get off a denunciatory sentence or two, plese go elsewhere. But otherwise, please read it all and do a measure of thinking about these people who want to be chaste, to abstain from sexual sin, and to find what there is to affirm about themselves, to find themselves as they are found by Christ Our Lord.
The Left criticizes the Right for its questioning of Darwinian type evolution, but they embrace global warming and deadly perversions as super normal deserving marriage alongside heterosexuals? America is not reading "Alice in Wonderland," we are living in it!
I don’t believe the assault is so much against traditional marriage as it is an assault on Christianity as a whole.
The brutal slaughter of Christians around the world is starting to get some media attention and the left is afraid someone will get a cut of the victimology market.
Meanwhile....Under pressure from gay activists, comedian Bob Newhart cancels appearance for Catholic group
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20035
Not relevant to the article. The people referenced are not practitioners of deadly perversion. They are abstinent.
Perhaps, humans just have an amazing ability to “rationalize” their behavior which conflicts with the truth.
So there's no "behavior" to speak of..
Genesis 5:2
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
2 Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created.
Let me see if I get it.. I’m Italian, and as such, I have an unnatural attraction to PASTA.. I’m normal, I have always known that I craved this stuff.. However, I am getting FAT, and my health conditions forbid me this destructive appetite.. Stay with me on this..
I proclaim my inclinations, but claim self-controlled abstinence, thus antipasta Non sequitur.. ?
Perhaps.
Have they always been “Abstinent”?
How do they know they are “Gay” ?
Sexual attraction to the same-sex ?
An attraction that they refrain from acting on ?
I still say they are rationalizing, maybe not the behavior but the desire for the behavior.
“For us it is to accept them as they are and not believe they must be changed.”
Lets say that there is a medication that is developed that somehow ensures the gender that one is sexually attracted to. I can’t ever see the Church giving permission to take this medication in order to be attracted to someone of the same gender. However, I can absolutely see the Church finding nothing wrong with taking the medication to ensure attraction to the natural gender.
I was trying to think of an analogy, the closest I could come up with would be an obsessive klepto-maniac that doesn’t in fact steal things but would refuse to take medication that would somehow cure them of the struggle to not obsessively steal things.
It’s not intrinsically disordered to be deaf. But what does the Church say about having the option to have some level of hearing, but refusing it?
Freegards
I have a problem with the concept of a Christian’s being “proud,” except of the Faith, as in “This is the Faith of the Church. We are proud to profess it in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
“Pride” in a genuine accomplishment might be better expressed as “gratitude” at being able to be of use. “What have you that you did not receive?” including your ability to write a symphony or earn the Eagle Scout medal.
Being “proud” of a desire, especially of a desire to commit sin, seems like a very wrong direction. It’s like my being proud of my desire for a 5-liter box of pink wine and two bags of pretzel sticks ... only more wrong, because drinking wine and eating pretzels isn’t “intrinsically disordered,” while sodomitic sex acts are. (Always, even if a mixed-sex married couple does them.)
The problem is labeling people who deal with temptation in the the area of homosexual attraction as *homosexual* or *gay* as if that’s what they really are, IOW, that it really is their identity. That is worldly thinking that has now invaded the church.
Since when does a child of the Living God have permission to take the world’s standards and make value judgment about themselves with it?
They don’t. They are people who deal with same sex temptation. That does not make them inherently homosexual, as if they had no choice about it. That leaves them in bondage to their temptation, not in freedom in Christ.
How is that any different from someone claiming that they’re a thief or a liar but they are a thief or liar who happens to be Christian and is *abstinent*.
Believers are CHRISTIANS first and foremost; their sin is not their identity.
They may be celebate, but if they endorse SIN they are not Christian no matter what they may say.
Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I think we agree here.
They have labeled themselves.
It may be that they are simply trying really really hard to be inclusive.
I would suggest that the idea of “inherently homosexual” or not having a choice about it, is flawed.
From Leviticus to the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, God has been consistent about how He felt about homosexuality. But it fits into a nutshell right here in Corinthians.
1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
The Word is clear. Unrepentant (practicing) homosexuals who die in their sin, GO TO HELL. They can go to church, they can call themselves a Christian...but if they are practicing homosexuals when they die—they will spend eternity in Hell.
-—Being celibate is for those who are struggling with their sin. Celibacy is not an excuse to justify sin, or maintain a sinful lifestyle. Celibacy will not keep the unrepentant gay out of hell.
This passage lists a number of sins that offer the same consequences for unrepentance. An unrepentant thief goes straight to hell as well.
BUT, no other sin listed in that passage has a number of followers out to forcibly legalize their sin-calling sin a civil right.
When Jesus stopped the stoning of the adulteress, He told her to. “Go and sin no more.” Repentance doesn’t mean perfection, or a lack of struggle...The sin must stop! If a gay or lesbian isn’t even attempting to stop the sin-They will burn: end of story.
The Bible is not a politically correct document. God doesnt care about the opinions of kings or pop culture. The Bible is Gods divine revelation to man. A person does not get to pick and chose which of Gods Words he wants to believe. Its all or nothing. Being a fundamentalist is believing that God meant what He said.
The bottom line is this: Jesus can transform you into a new being. If He can take a drunkard from this list and give that person the strength to throw off the chains of addiction, so God can transform the homosexual. Its not by your strength, but by His.
I'm looking expectantly for how you the this in with the people in the article, e.g. Even Tushnet and her fellow chaste homophile writers.
What YOU say would be interesting. I'm interested, anyhow.
Didn't know that...Perhaps that why he became Catholic, to live in an atmosphere of other unmarried men...
Homophile was the term used for gay groups in the 1950s and 60s, prior to the birth of the modern gay rights movement.
That's news to me because it didn't happen in my neck of the woods...They were known as homosexuals, queers or fags...Even amongst themselves...
Gay exceptionalism and charism are a regular theme for the New Homophiles.
Nonsense...Sounds like a dangerous group to me...If your pope was smart, he'd shut 'em down, and quick...
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