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To: FourtySeven

Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t give someone the title of Pope, and then excuse what he says as private conversations about personal relationships….and you can’t have him release major statements and then not hold him responsible for his words being fodder for an evil President.

Sorry sorry sorry…..you are trying to defend him as a man of great import on the one hand….and then say ‘hey, he’s just chatting” on the other. That my friend is illogical.


131 posted on 12/16/2013 5:37:57 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Alright then, let me apologize for the confusion I caused. Let me be try to be clear now:

I’m not trying to say that his words, even when he talks about some Marxists he apparently knows are “good”, in his opinion, aren’t important words to consider. For Catholics they certainly are; everything the Pope says should, for Catholics, be considered very carefully. Indeed here, his statement that “[some Marxists] are good people” should be taken as a serious provocation for any who find the statement initially objectionable.

“Is it possible for a Marxist to be a good person? What does it even mean to be a ‘good person’? If they can be a good person and still Marxist, or even if not, how then, should we treat such people? Are they ‘ok’ the way they are simply because they are ‘good’, or are they completely lost to Satan? Should we dismiss them as ‘completely evil’, which can be a bit too convenient at times, or should we still attempt to be a witness to Christ to them?” These are questions we should ask ourselves, at least every Catholic should consider, as this is what the Pope is asking us to do, as the pastoral priest I mentioned earlier.

I pretty much assumed the above was common knowledge, or at least commonly assumed by others as well, when I made my previous post on the subject (if not also prior posts). Regardless though, if one does not wish to do such work above (which IMO seems like good work, such difficult questions, if examined honestly, could lead one to a deeper understanding of one’s role as a Christian, if not merely the “role” of being a human being as God intends), then minus that, we are still left with two facts that I stated before but will repeat here for conclusive clarity.

One, he’s the Pope not a scholar of economics and this ultimately should be regarded the same.

Two, if one does not wish to do the honest work implied above, as Obama clearly does not, clearly Obama only wishes to further his ideological agenda, and not enrich his or anyone’s humanity, then one should just ignore what the Pope has said about his Marxist friends, and also ignore any economic advice the Pope may have given.

This is because to do as Obama has done is clearly ripping the Pope’s words out of context. The Pope can’t be held liable for some mental midget like Obama implying his exhortation is an exhortation of Marxism! His (the Pope’s) hope is not to set us on a path to socialism, rather to set us on a path to holiness, part of which does, whether one wishes to believe it or not, mean treating even Marxists with dignity.


135 posted on 12/16/2013 6:47:10 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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