Posted on 12/10/2013 5:23:53 AM PST by CynicalBear
How about Vincent Price? He was on that list of converts to Roman Catholicism. You never mention him for obvious reasons.
For everyone of those that go over to Rome, there are thousands of “me” who depart.
The Mormons say the same thing and they have a pope figure as well.
Can you point me to a Biblical personality who exhibited that negative behavior? Judas does not count.
You are not seriously promoting Self-Flagellation?
The Ephesians 4 reference can be taken as baptized in the Holy Spirit since we know Peter mentions that in Acts. The preponderance of the scriptural evidence shows those who proclaimed Jesus Christ were then baptized. It goes hand in hand it was never an either or other than the repentant thief who confessed directly to Christ.
I don’t know why some come out and state you don’t need to get baptized or say baptism doesn’t save. Well the act itself does not because we see Simon Magus in Acts 8 was baptized but did not receive the Holy Spirit. The evidence shows that those who responded to the preaching of the Gospel in faith got in the water.
You may want to also look at the 1 Peter 3:21 in context as well. If Peter is truly saying there the act of baptism saves it contradicts the previous and following verses. You would also have to admit there were two gospels preached if you believe the act of baptism saves. That is why we should never base entire doctrines on a couple of verses especially without looking at the context. And we should all know the Gospel established by Jesus Christ was this:
Luke 24:45-47 NASB
Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
I thought the Mormons claimed that one true church mantra. Hey they see your Apocrypha and raise their BOM. Plus they have a 19th century “prophet” and say their apostles are infallible. So you have competition for that exclusive rights clause. You and the Mormons have loads to talk about. Not to mention most Eastern Orthodox call RCs heterodox still.
You only post the verses that may appear to favor your position...
Act_19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
These people were baptized with water like Catholics but never received the Holy Ghost...
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And then they got baptized again...A second time...How do you explain that???
bttt
Of course they didn't know that...It was a mystery, to everyone but God...
I don't believe it's a strawman argument at all...Especially in places like South America...
When I pray or worship sometimes I lift my arms and eyes to heaven...I don't lay on the ground and pray to a statue of Jesus...
So agreeing with someone else's snarky comment is a legitimate form of discourse in your view?
Behavior like this is precisely why I have been absenting myself from discussion of this nature lately. I will say my peace and leave the rest to the Holy Spirit.
Feel free to have the last word.
I have said my peace and will not be drawn in to a snark fest.
I’m 65 and did the drag racing in my teens, then harness horse racing, owned several different companies, raised a family and now retired. God blessed and protected me all those years and now I look forward to spending eternity with Him in a place He said is beyond anything I can imagine. I’m having a great life here and He tells me the best is yet to come.
You got any plans for eternity?
“You got any plans for eternity?”
No such thing, I’m to be cooked ansd dumped in the cheapest possible fashion!
I would also point out that there were many Disciples of Christ who in all likelihood were baptized who “went back and walked with Him no more”. Scripture tells us “Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.” Then of course there was Judas. Who would doubt that he was baptized? It seems from Jesus words that it was the believe part that was the key.
Well, one of us is correct. If I’m correct then you have a serious problem for eternity. If you are correct I’ve lost nothing.
The sincerity of one person’s confession has no relevance to our own salvation.
True, but it has relevance to 'their' salvation.
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