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There's more to Catholicism than concern over what Ralph Nader calls "gonadal politics."
1 posted on 12/06/2013 4:43:34 AM PST by steelhead_trout
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I just read a book “Rediscovering Catholicism”....given to me by my church and I loved it.
“Rediscover Catholicism” by Matthew Kelly-Free Book Changes My Life Forever. Guest Writer Michelle Defines Love.

http://patfish.blogspot.com/2013/11/rediscover-catholicism-by-matthew-kelly.html

So here I am all juiced and filled with the zeal of an evangenlizer and the pope’s words leave me sapped.

I don’t care what this op-ed writer says, the pope SHOULD stick to things spiritual and for the soul. If nothing else, capitalism might not be perfect but it’s killed no one.

Communism? Nazism? These idealologies killed millions. Socialism has pulled the life and verve out of humans’ souls for many years.

Now I don’t know what to do. I am demoralized.

I will never like what Pope Francis said in his diatribe and no one can make me.

I got eyeballs and I read all 50,000 of his silly words.

Now start attacking ME as is often the norm when someone....heh, stands up to power.


2 posted on 12/06/2013 4:52:54 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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Got to remember that it was the “Francisian spirituality” side of Pope Francis that he was speaking.


3 posted on 12/06/2013 4:54:31 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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[Non-economic papal exhortation] doesn’t truly endanger what’s most important to those who steer the Republic: maintaining an economic system premised upon limitless extraction, fostering of endless desires, and creating a widening gap between winners and losers that is papered over by mantras about favoring equality of opportunity.

Wow, talk about a straw-man argument! So if we oppose top-down central planning, we must be for gluttony and subjugation of the poor. Riiiight....

4 posted on 12/06/2013 4:58:09 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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If we had actual free market capitalism working in an actually Christian based culture, I don’t think we would hear any of these things from Francis or we would not take them as aimed at us. Capitalism, as it is practiced now i.e. crony capitalism or mercantilism-fascism, is more disruptive of traditional human relations every day.


5 posted on 12/06/2013 4:59:34 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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The best thing in this article is the link to the article by Hadley Arkes.


6 posted on 12/06/2013 5:00:33 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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Not far below the surface of many of these critiques one hears the following refrain: why can’t the Pope just go back to talking about abortion? Why can’t we return the good old days of Pope John Paul II or Benedict XVI and talk 24/7/365 about sex? Why doesn’t Francis have the decency to limit himself to talking about Jesus and gays, while avoiding the rudeness of discussing economics in mixed company, an issue about which he has no expertise or competence? These commentators all but come and out say: we embrace Catholic teaching when it concerns itself with “faith and morals”—when it denounces abortion, opposes gay marriage, and urges personal charity. This is the Catholicism that has been acceptable in polite conversation. This is a stripped-down Catholicism that doesn’t challenge fundamental articles of economic faith.

The most "fundamental articles of economic faith" are these, and you rarely hear them talked about in Catholic circles:

“You shall not steal."
-- Exodus 20:15

"You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”
-- Exodus 20:17


8 posted on 12/06/2013 5:11:25 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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He’s from Argentina, right? Isn’t that where the Nazis went to after WWII? Maybe he’s just used to that congregation.


11 posted on 12/06/2013 5:19:57 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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What bothered me most about what the pope said is that — “unequal distribution of wealth inevitably leads to violence”.

Would violence disappear if everyone had equal wealth? Is it OK to be violent because you are not happy that things are not equal? So what would help violence most? Would not the poor who become violent for lack of wealth also be worshiping money? What would help this problem most? More money? I don’t think so.


16 posted on 12/06/2013 5:52:16 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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“The division of the fullness of Catholic thought in America has rendered it largely tractable in a nation that was always suspicious of Catholics. Lockean America tamed Catholicism not by oppression (as Locke thought would be necessary), but by dividing and conquering—permitting and even encouraging promotion of its sexual teachings, albeit shorn of its broader social teachings.”

The author of this article attacks the very basis of the Founders. The idea of the United States is rendered illegitimate in the eyes of the author’s world view. A world view alien to Madison, Hamilton, and Jay. Instead of soothing any suspicions that those who support the ideology of the Founders have, this apologia for the Pope’s latest pronouncements just blows the lid off of it. I personally want to live in a United States based on thoughts of the Founders, not some 19th Century Papal States.


20 posted on 12/06/2013 5:58:13 AM PST by gusty
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“maintaining an economic system premised upon limitless extraction, fostering of endless desires, and creating a widening gap between winners and losers that is papered over by mantras about favoring equality of opportunity.”

All you need to read to know this guy is full of poop!

Capitalism works to help ALL. Look at the poor in America vs the poor in Argentina, and then TRY telling me the Pope’s ideas on the economy are wonderful...


21 posted on 12/06/2013 5:58:20 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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How many times did Jesus act or talk about money?

LUKE, CHAPTER 6:20 And raising his eyes toward his disciples he said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for the kingdom of God is yours.
Overturning the moneychangers tables in the temple
Naming a tax collector as an apostle
The story of the 10. 5, and 1 talent
The widow’s mite
One cannot serve God and Mammon
Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s
Blessed are the poor
What about the prayers of the Pharisee who stood in the front and bragged, and the prayers of the common poor man who stood in the back and prayed?
The Magnificat — He has put down the mighty from their thrones, and has exalted the lowly.
“Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” ~ 19:24
“You are lacking one thing. Sell everything you have and give the proceeds to the poor. Then you shall have treasure in heaven.”


32 posted on 12/06/2013 7:59:12 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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America, the youngest of all nations. She is the Superpower and Work Leader, fastest migration growth and numer one in almost every other category in terms of success standards.
The main reasons ...Capitalism, Judeo Christian foundational values and the Constitution/Bill of Rights.
Those three building blocks are under masive assault from every angle. This is why you are now seeing the decline of America. Socialism, Marxism, Communism are not designed for rapid growth and prosperity. They are a means of control once the government decides it is satisfied with its current status. Like a choke collar on a race horse.


43 posted on 12/06/2013 8:52:35 AM PST by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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The American Conservative is yearning for the good old day of Father Coughlin.
49 posted on 12/06/2013 11:16:59 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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