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Would Someone Just Shut That Pope Up? (no, he doesn't really mean that!)
The American Conservative ^ | 12/5/2013 | Patrick J. Deneen

Posted on 12/06/2013 4:43:34 AM PST by steelhead_trout

Since the release of Evangelii Gaudium there have been countless articles and commentary about the economic portions of Pope Francis’s Apostolic Exhortation. Some of the commentary has been downright bizarre, such as Rush Limbaugh denouncing the Pope as a Marxist, or Stuart Varney accusing Francis of being a neo-socialist.

Not far below the surface of many of these critiques one hears the following refrain: why can’t the Pope just go back to talking about abortion? Why can’t we return the good old days of Pope John Paul II or Benedict XVI and talk 24/7/365 about sex? Why doesn’t Francis have the decency to limit himself to talking about Jesus and gays, while avoiding the rudeness of discussing economics in mixed company, an issue about which he has no expertise or competence?

These commentators all but come and out say: we embrace Catholic teaching when it concerns itself with “faith and morals”—when it denounces abortion, opposes gay marriage, and urges personal charity. This is the Catholicism that has been acceptable in polite conversation. This is a stripped-down Catholicism that doesn’t challenge fundamental articles of economic faith.

And it turns out that this version of Catholicism is a useful tool. It is precisely this portion of Catholicism that is acceptable to those who control the right narrative because it doesn’t truly endanger what’s most important to those who steer the Republic: maintaining an economic system premised upon limitless extraction, fostering of endless desires, and creating a widening gap between winners and losers that is papered over by mantras about favoring equality of opportunity.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: conservatism; economics; francis; religion
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To: nanetteclaret

Marxism is not what the likes of Obama are all about.


61 posted on 12/06/2013 3:12:24 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Fishtalk

Something’s not right alright, but it’s not just about economics.


62 posted on 12/06/2013 3:15:43 PM PST by piusv
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To: nanetteclaret

Well you know I completely agree with you.

Haven’t seen you post in awhile...good to see you again.


63 posted on 12/06/2013 3:20:23 PM PST by piusv
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To: arthurus

Ironic that people think that the people who control our economy, including financiers like Buffet, are in favor of a “free market.” They do their best to protect their interests by bribing the powers that be, whatever form of government that be. The recent openness to a “carbon tax,” is an example of their cynicism, as well as their promotion of the new morality.


64 posted on 12/06/2013 3:27:44 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: NKP_Vet

Lots of people admired Mussolini, which made them open to Hitler who was an entirely different sort of cat. My parish priest knew Coughlin in the ‘50s. He kept his pledge to say nothing about politics, but he had his friends. I heard another priest in West Virginia who had also known Coughlin and who had nothing good to say about our involvement in Vietnam, that it was an imperial adventure.


65 posted on 12/06/2013 3:41:04 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: NKP_Vet
The author does present the dilemma that many face. Since the founding of the United States and the ideals of the Revolutionary generation spring from the bosom of the Protestant Anglosphere, what to do when Catholicism clashes with Americanism, defined as the ideals of the Founders. The author clearly stands with the current pope over Madison, Hamilton, and Jay. I will stand with the Founders and defend against attacks from both European Socialism and reactionary European Conservatism. Both philosophies alien to the American shores.
66 posted on 12/06/2013 3:44:33 PM PST by gusty
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To: gusty

The Catholic Church has, from its beginning, reflected the neutrality of wealth and the virtue of assisting the poor to improve themselves, all very clearly delineated in the chapters of Church history, beginning with the gospels. The one ideology of the Church is to encourage, to assist, to relieve, to motivate, to develop the people of the world for the better. As trends develop that warrant correction, the pope, in his position as leader of Christianity, must comment, and that for the good of all. No broken ideology dare raise its head, but capitalism is, like any financial system, in constant need of checks and balances.


67 posted on 12/06/2013 4:05:10 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

And where will these checks and balances come from. An absolute monarch in the form of a Habsburg or a Bourbon, a conclave of cardinals, or any other statist mechanism. No, our founders believed in the free market. The less interference from any government or church the better. The idea that economic activity needs constant checks and balances is a recipe for tyranny. A tyranny that Americans recoil from. Free Men, Free Markets is as American as apple pie.


68 posted on 12/06/2013 4:23:19 PM PST by gusty
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To: NKP_Vet
The statement that the pope is the leader of Christianity is arrogance personified.
69 posted on 12/06/2013 4:25:28 PM PST by gusty
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To: nanetteclaret

Modernists are not known for speaking clearly.


70 posted on 12/06/2013 4:34:52 PM PST by piusv
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To: gusty

I left out “a” in front of leader. My fault.


71 posted on 12/06/2013 5:18:38 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: nanetteclaret

**He ought to speak, as have previous Popes, so clearly that there is no room for doubt.**

We would all definitely like that. Benedict XVI was great at this.


72 posted on 12/06/2013 6:39:40 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nanetteclaret

Very true - many of them endorsed Corporatism instead as an alternative to Communism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadragesimo_Anno


73 posted on 12/06/2013 7:22:45 PM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: NKP_Vet

He’s still a hero to many of them, especially palaeoconservative Catholics—just like Dennis Fahey.


74 posted on 12/07/2013 3:50:22 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Denis Fahey was a flake also, a terrible anti-semite.


75 posted on 12/07/2013 7:09:23 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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