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Rush Limbaugh Doesn't Get Pope Francis
Catholic Answers ^ | December 4, 2013 | Trent Horn

Posted on 12/05/2013 6:26:41 AM PST by NYer

In a recent segment on his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh talked about the pope’s new apostolic exhortation Evangelii Gaudium. I don’t have the space to address everything Limbaugh said, but what struck me was his mischaracterization of Pope Francis's comments about economics.

The fundamental problem was that Limbaugh chose to quote not what Pope Francis wrote but a Washington Post article on the exhortation, which stated:

Pope Francis attacked unfettered capitalism as "a new tyranny" and beseeched global leaders to fight poverty and growing inequality, in a document on Tuesday setting out a platform for his papacy and calling for a renewal of the Catholic Church. . . . In it, Francis went further than previous comments criticizing the global economic system, attacking the "idolatry of money."

Limbaugh responded by saying, “This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope. Unfettered capitalism? That doesn't exist anywhere. 'Unfettered capitalism' is a liberal socialist phrase to describe the United States.”

Comrade Francis?

Granted, it takes hours to read this massive document but, for someone whose words are heard by millions of people, before calling the pope a "Marxist" a simple use of the control+F function would have been warranted. If Limbaugh had done that, he would have found that the phrase “unfettered capitalism” does not appear in Evangelii Gaudium.

Neither is the global economy the main theme of this exhortation; rather, it's only one area where Pope Francis is calling on the Church to evangelize the world. He describes specific financial and cultural challenges facing the human community and then addresses the temptations of pastors who must face these challenges. Nowhere does the Pope blame humanity’s woes on the concept of the free market or demand a Marxist government to save mankind.

A Betrayal of John Paul II?

Limbaugh later said, “[J]uxtaposed against the actions of Pope John Paul II, this pope and the things that he released yesterday or recently are really striking.”

No, they aren’t. In his 1991 encyclical Centesimus Annus, Pope John Paul II reflected on socialism and capitalism in light of the recent fall of the Soviet Union. Although he acknowledged that profit has a “legitimate role” in the function of a business and that “the Marxist solution” to economic inequality had failed, he also spoke of the “inadequacies of capitalism” and said that profit is the not the only indicator that a business is doing well. The human dignity of workers matter too, and if capitalism is left unchecked it becomes “ruthless” and leads to “inhuman exploitation.” Pope Francis's words are consistent with John Paul's.

Limbaugh continued:

You talk about unfettered, this is an unfettered anti-capitalist dictate from Pope Francis. And listen to this. This is an actual quote from what he wrote. "The culture of prosperity deadens us. We are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase. In the meantime, all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle. They fail to move us." I mean, that's pretty profound. That's going way beyond matters that are ethical. This is almost a statement about who should control financial markets. He says that the global economy needs government control.

But the Pope is not saying that. He is saying that a global economy needs global control, not government control in the form of some creepy one-world government that runs everything. Pope Francis said, “If we really want to achieve a healthy world economy, what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation [emphasis added], ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few (206).”

A Complex Question

The Church teaches that the dignity of the human person and the management of global economies is more complex than just choosing "capitalism" over "socialism/communism." What is required is an approach that respects individual freedom without allowing that freedom to become some all-consuming monster that tramples the weak and poor.

In Centesimus Annus, Pope John Paul II was asked if capitalism should be the dominant economic model in light of the fall of the USSR. His answer is insightful, and I think it's an excellent parallel to Pope Francis's attitude on the subject. Pope John Paul II said:

The answer is obviously complex. If by "capitalism" is meant an economic system which recognizes the fundamental and positive role of business, the market, private property and the resulting responsibility for the means of production, as well as free human creativity in the economic sector, then the answer is certainly in the affirmative, even though it would perhaps be more appropriate to speak of a "business economy," "market economy" or simply "free economy." But if by "capitalism" is meant a system in which freedom in the economic sector is not circumscribed within a strong juridical framework which places it at the service of human freedom in its totality and sees it as a particular aspect of that freedom, the core of which is ethical and religious, then the reply is certainly negative.

The reality is that the Catholic Church, and Pope Francis included, cannot simply say it is for or against capitalism. It’s a complex question. While the Washington Post said Pope Francis issued a “decidedly populist teaching” the Pope said in Evangelii Gaudium that he was not arguing for “an irresponsible populism,” or a solution that naively pits the poor against the rich (204).

On the other hand, while the Pope might agree with Limbaugh that Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” can lift some people out of poverty, it can also strangle the life out of the poor, and so the Pope says in that same paragraph that we can no longer trust the market alone to ensure that all people are treated with dignity.

In closing, I think that the following paragraph from the Pope’s exhortation is something that should be mailed to Limbaugh and maybe we can turn down the heat just a little bit:

If anyone feels offended by my words, I would respond that I speak them with affection and with the best of intentions, quite apart from any personal interest or political ideology. My words are not those of a foe or an opponent. I am interested only in helping those who are in thrall to an individualistic, indifferent and self-centered mentality to be freed from those unworthy chains and to attain a way of living and thinking which is more humane, noble and fruitful, and which will bring dignity to their presence on this earth (208).



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: capitalism; liberationtheology; limbaugh; marxism; marxists; pope; popefrancis; rushlimbaugh; rushpope; talkradio
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To: NYer

Not holding my breath but Limbaugh owes an apology to his audience.

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Actually, when Rush has the facts he usually does apologize.
Eventually, he will get the facts on this...at least I pray so.

;-)


81 posted on 12/05/2013 8:22:14 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: steelhead_trout

You get dumber with each post. The Tony Alamo post is beneath the bottom of the barrell, morally, ethically, but more to the point, totally intellectually vacant and vapid.


82 posted on 12/05/2013 8:23:35 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: SumProVita
Actually, when Rush has the facts he usually does apologize. Eventually, he will get the facts on this...at least I pray so.

Thank you for respectful and thoughtful response…..but…..what are the "facts" he has not gotten yet?

83 posted on 12/05/2013 8:24:53 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Lakeshark

Pick the most idiotic post in this thread, and I’ll pick my nominee, and let’s compare notes.


84 posted on 12/05/2013 8:26:06 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: SC_Pete

The Pope confuses Charity with the socialist redistribution of wealth.

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Huh? What did he say that made you think so?


85 posted on 12/05/2013 8:27:32 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

If you can’t see that this confusion has been a major problem inside many Churches, including the Catholic Church, then you are not paying close enough attention.


86 posted on 12/05/2013 8:29:35 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: cothrige

Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world.

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Incorrect translation. Should be:

Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will BY ITSELF succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world.

Pope was showing that an economic policy by itself will not cause the necessary change because there IS a spiritual dimension that is often avoided.


87 posted on 12/05/2013 8:31:58 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Salvation

Because he isn’t saying anything that I want or need to hear.

The pope isn’t a politician, and doesn’t need to speak about political systems or philosophies.

He needs to speak about Jesus Christ.


88 posted on 12/05/2013 8:34:22 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

“The pope isn’t a politician, and doesn’t need to speak about political systems or philosophies.

He needs to speak about Jesus Christ.


That’s just it. He’s talking about economics, not politics. And in a sense, he is talking about Christ. See Matthew 21:12 for an example that supports Pope Francis’ statement.


89 posted on 12/05/2013 8:39:12 AM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: TexasCajun

Your comment at #14 elicited the question about Reagan who supported and signed Simpson-Mazzolli, the vast “immigration reform” bill.


90 posted on 12/05/2013 8:39:22 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: steelhead_trout

seems a ceaser issue not a pope issue.


91 posted on 12/05/2013 8:40:08 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Hear! Hear!


92 posted on 12/05/2013 8:43:40 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The first thing to address would be to ask what was Rush’s source of information? The second question would be whether or not he has he followed up on this issue....since there have been much good discussion clarifying it.


93 posted on 12/05/2013 8:43:46 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: steelhead_trout

I’m sorry, but I cannot connect to Pope Francis.

He isn’t reaching me, he’s pushing me away.

I don’t want to hear anything more from the left, regardless of who they are or the position they hold.


94 posted on 12/05/2013 8:43:48 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

You are correct. He strikes me the same way.


95 posted on 12/05/2013 8:45:31 AM PST by dcbeall
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I am quite aware of the influence of liberal thinkers in all areas of religion...but what does that have to do with the post to which you refer?


96 posted on 12/05/2013 8:46:17 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita
Huh? What did he say that made you think so?

"While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules." Perhaps the government should be concerned with equality of opportunity, but it certainly should not be concerned with any other type. Francis is advocating government forced wealth equality. Which is communism.

I wonder what Eastern European countries will think of his views.
97 posted on 12/05/2013 8:49:55 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: EDINVA
Are you saying Conservatives should embrace Amnesty & Higher Taxes cause Reagan did 24 years ago?

Reagan may be a Conservative icon, but he was not perfect.

98 posted on 12/05/2013 8:59:56 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: NYer

The Pope isn’t Marxist and he isn’t Capitalist. He’s the Pope. I don’t know why that’s so difficult.

He (the Pope) is saying we shouldn’t put our ultimate trust in any economic system, “capitalism” or “communism” or anything in-between. The ultimate hope for all humanity doesn’t lie in anything man creates on his own. It lies in Jesus.

This is the Gospel. This is what the encyclical is about (the Gospel). And it (the encyclical) is about how the Gospel message is spread.

It’s not spread through communism.

It’s not spread through capitalism.

Again, we shouldn’t put our trust in either system to truly lift anyone up, not in the way that really helps anyone.

Put another way: No one can argue that capitalism is by far the most successful economic system for lifting people out of economic poverty. But at the end if the day, do you really believe anyone is “helped” by just having more money? Sure it’s part of helping people to give them the means to make enough money to live with dignity. But this isn’t what is ENTIRELY meant by “helping the poor”.

And this is the danger His Holiness is taking about. Putting our trust in a system, any system really, to “help” the poor, when at the end of the day all that has been done is to “help” them financially.

The Gospel isn’t about how to make money. It’s about how we are saved and how we can and do become a new and better creation through Jesus Christ.

That’s all the Pope is saying. Anyone (including Rush) who reads more into it than that is, I would submit, probably feeling (rightfully) guilty deep down inside that they aren’t really doing anything to help the poor. No matter how much money given to a charity.


99 posted on 12/05/2013 9:08:17 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: txrangerette

The Pope should be talking less about the “system” and more about encouraging people under whatever system to be more charitable on a personal level.

Of course, under capitalism, more abundance always exists which gives the generous more wealth to be generous with.


100 posted on 12/05/2013 9:09:12 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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