Posted on 12/03/2013 2:35:53 AM PST by markomalley
Msgr Pope ping
Lots of analysis that misses the elephant in the room.
The truth is brutal as it is simple: Many women no longer want to be married.
60% of all divorces are initiated by women. Over 90% of divorces where the woman has a four year (or higher) degree are at her initiation.
Women have made marriage a lose-lose proposition for men. They’ll lose in divorce court, they’ll lose contact with the children. And let’s face facts: More and more American women are really unattractive, fat, mouthy shrews. Why would any sane man want to marry them in the first place? The Cardinal completely overlooks this development as he wants to keep his missive high and mighty sounding.
The number of young women who are absurdly fat has long since gotten out of hand - the a point now where they attack women who are in good shape who post pictures of themselves online. Young men are now getting way too fat as well, but the number of fat women under the age of 25 is utterly amazing to me.
I tell young men that the odds are stacked very heavily against them in marriage, and that the fastest road to the poor house is a divorce which can be initiated without any doing on the male’s part, and about which the man can do little to nothing.
srbfl
I anticipate that the comments will largely consist of attacks on women, and this is typical of “discussion” of this topic. Perhaps the critical point has passed, and there will be no revitalization of marriage in the general culture.
That’s dreadful for children, of course. On the other hand, I think it’s possible that the birthrate will continue to fall, especially as more men acknowledge that what they’re really looking for in a “relationship” is another man.
LIBERALISM: This "factor" has lead to all of the rest of the above, and yet, the Catholic Church never seems to get tired of supporting and promoting socialism instead of personal responsibility, free markets and private charity instead of government handouts.
For some reason, The Church is blind to the reality that fiscal conservative values are what promote conservative social values. They go hand-in-hand. Socialism destroys families just as it destroys Christians. The Church wants its cake and wants to eat it too. Doesn't work that way. And the recent commentary served up by the current Pope and Cardinal Dolan clearly show that Church leaders still have their heads stuck in the sand.
Lie down with dogs...
Sure about that?
The reason is because of “concern” for the poor.
I think it’s all terrible. My own life and childhood were miserable due to all of these factors. Parents divorced, strayed, remarried total losers, over and over. (Dad was married 5 times). One abused me as a kid. I still live with the scars of it, and I’m 50 now.
Kids now REFUSE to marry young. It simply isn’t done. The best of them just stay in long-term fornicating relationships and they MIGHT marry, but only closer to their 30’s, automatically limiting their family size to no more than 2 if that.
It’s pitiful, if you ask me.
I think longevity has a lot to do with it also. People seem to believe they have until their 80’s or 90’s to live, so why live it married for 50 years or more? Why not experience at least some freedom your first 30-40 years.
Sadly, I’m seeing my fellow 50 something friends who never married are not regretting it deeply. With no family and nothing to show for their years of freedom and partying, they are left empty.
I married young, and I’m glad. We’re heading now almost to 30 years and I’m petrified I won’t get another 30, yet another year with my husband. We will enjoy a very full life TOGETHER ...I like “together” better ...don’t understand why more people don’t.
Sadly, it has all to do with one word and one word only, MONEY.
Heartbreaking all the same.
I realize the reason but that still does not excuse the reasoning - or worse, the seeming intentional ignorance of historical fact. All socialism does or has ever done is make everyone poorer - except the elites who “know better” than all. Sooner or later, the system collapses and then there are even more “poor” then there were before.
The whole issue is also concern for not making wealth an “idol”.
Another reason is that the cowardice of the American bishops is eating the heart out of the Church.
If Nancy Pelosi can march up and receive Communion, then Communion means NOTHING.
If Ted Kennedy can have a big, televised, splashy funeral, then it means NOTHING to say someone is a “Catholic.”
Why ignore the fact that as far back as the days of bread and circuses, "taking" from those who have to reward those who have not - has never worked as well in the long run as encouraging and promoting private charity?
Better yet, why not sell off some of the trillions in wealth owned by the wealthiest organization in the world...and set a good example?
I married a fat woman! She is pure love. Because she’s FAT? No. If she were skinny with huge breasts she’d be better? No. She is pure love.
15 years this summer.
Oh yea, I fell into the culture that the good Cardinal didn’t do much to help me with several decades ago, so I checked out only the skinny perfect physical specimens...but praised be Jesus Christ, as a poorly formed Catholic, I’d heard a cardinal Ratzinger one time, for 1.5 minutes on TV one Sunday in the mid seventies, say that lovemaking was a kind of sexual cement that helped bond a marriage together, that kernel spun me 180 degrees just in time before I turned into a cad. I wasted a lot of time looking for pure love in only miss physically perfect, as the culture and lack of formation taught me. Wasted my best “physical specimen” years of myself maybe too.
Eventually, I closed my eyes and searched for pure love. Found her, for free, on the internet!!!!! just before y2k.
Close your eyes buddy - don’t avoid the french, the black, the blah, blah - find a pure love, and be shown by her that she is practicing Catholic or is becoming one going in and wait for her to get there with you.
I wont dump her if she gets skinny, loses a leg, goes dementia. And she wont leave me likewise. And if she did, I love Jesus and have Him.
Didn’t think she could have kids - so we figured we’d adopt (I always wanted a dozen). God said, despite science, “three in 6 years” and we’ll see what tomorrow brings. Total trust in Jesus and forget about the future.
Shrews? Well, be nice to them as children of God, and keep seeking pure love while doing God’s work here, but do God’s work here.
Fat people carry their medical problem or their sins, on their belly. Shrews carry it in their face/mouth. We all have sin to carry. Find someone doing their best, despite the load they have been forgiven for, though the baggage they still carry, as do we all.
“Marriage is about children”
This is the anthropololgical view. and it is solid ground.
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“On the other hand, I think it’s possible that the birthrate will continue to fall, especially as more men acknowledge that what they’re really looking for in a 'relationship' is another man.”
This is an extremely insulting thing to post.
Many people, both men and women, deserve blame for these matters.
But women far more than men.
Not because women are intrinsically more evil than men, just that the law forbids to men evils that it makes a birthright to women.
Reflect on the ugliness that you have added to the conversation, and how you have stabbed many who suffer still the wounds inflicted upon them by female trash using the full force of the law against them.
sitetest
“fastest road to the poor house is a divorce”
Amen to that. It took me 14 years to catch up.
Welfare.
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