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Morality and economics, Pope Francis, and Rush Limbaugh
Renew America ^ | November 30, 2013 | Matt C. Abbott

Posted on 11/30/2013 3:59:08 PM PST by NYer

Pope Francis recently issued the apostolic exhortation "The Joy of the Gospel." Click here to read it.

Conservative radio personality Rush Limbaugh isn't pleased with the document, calling it "pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope." (Source)

I sought comment on the matter from Father John Trigilio Jr., Ph.D., Th.D., president of the Confraternity of Catholic Clergy. Below is Father's analysis (slightly edited).



I often listen to Rush Limbaugh and find him to be an intelligent man and an erudite conservative journalist. He uses common sense and logic to expose the fallacious arguments of liberal progressives. Unfortunately, he himself has fallen into a trap by which he erroneously extrapolates a false premise from the recent papal document from Pope Francis.

Evangelii Gaudium (The Joy of the Gospel) is an apostolic exhortation issued on November 24, 2013. While not an ex cathedra infallible document, it nevertheless contains ordinary papal magisterial teaching that demands submission of mind and will by faithful Catholics.

Rush is uncharacteristically inaccurate in his quotations. Pope Francis did not criticize unfettered capitalism; he used the phrase unfettered consumerism. The late and great Father Richard John Neuhaus defined consumerism as:

Capitalism is an economic and political ideology, whereas consumerism is a personal and individual ideology. The former is focused on a free market; the latter is obsessed with the acquisition of goods in and of themselves. Blessed John Paul II made the distinction that communism and consumerism are far extremes, and both threaten human freedom. One denies the right to access of necessary goods; the other deifies materialism and promotes avarice, greed and envy. A free market system, on the other hand, treats human beings equally, not giving undo advantage to card-carrying members of the Communist Party while penalizing those who express some political dissent.

What Pope Francis, Pope Benedict, Pope John Paul, Pope Leo and others have consistently been saying and teaching, however, is that the individual person is a moral agent. He must answer to God for what he did or did not do to help his neighbor in need. The Gospel of Matthew ends by separating the sheep from goats based on what each individual did or did not do to feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, shelter the homeless, care for the sick, and so on. It is not a judgment of government policies or agencies; it is a personal judgment on each one of us.

That said, besides personal acts of Christian charity, it is logical and reasonable, prudent and necessary to pool resources and, even for the state, to help in cases where the most needy and most urgent cases are helped. Yet no pope ever promoted, nor called for, a welfare state that perpetually cares for the poor. The ultimate goal is to enable the poor to rise above poverty and reach a level of dignity commensurate with their human dignity.

Access to necessary goods is a natural right. That does not mean, however, that the natural moral law requires the poor to become enslaved to the state by permanently keeping them dependent. Rush calls Pope Francis a Socialist at best and a Communist at worst. Does this sound like a commie comment?

Contrary to what many modern public school textbooks currently tell our children, capitalism was actually created during the high Middle Ages and, as Michael Novak wrote in 2003, Catholicism is what created it. While feudalism sustained Christendom from the fall of the Roman Empire (476 A.D.) through the so-called Dark Ages, during the 12th to 14th centuries, the middle class arose thanks to capitalism, which eventually replaced feudalism. Medieval guilds and religious orders, such as the Cistercians, became contemporary entrepreneurs of their time.

Thomas Woods' How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization has an entire chapter titled "The Church and Economics" in which he, too, proposes that money was not an artificial product of government (crown or parliament), but a result of a voluntary process between merchants. Barter became more and more impractical when dealing with perishable items and dealing with transporting goods over long distances. Religious orders like the Cistercians devised accounting systems by which goods could be bought and sold between fellow monks, and this was duplicated by lay merchants who participated in the process.

While the secular states were governed by aristocracies and monarchies, and while the Church herself is hierarchical, it is still Catholic doctrine that all men and women are created in the image of God and by baptism are considered children of God. That spiritual equality was translated into an economic equality, which transcended the political. The emerging middle class came from the peasant class. They did so because their faith taught them they were equal in the eyes of God and therefore had equal opportunities to improve their material situation. Those who could not – the destitute poor, the lame, widowed and orphaned – relied on the Christian charity of the nobility and the emerging middle class.

It was the Church who literally created the colleges and universities, hospitals and orphanages, and who ran the poor houses and soup kitchens. The secular state (government) did not create these institutions; religious orders and dioceses did. Christian charity motivated those who had more to help those who had less.

When you read Evangelii Gaudium in its entirety, it continues the papal magisterium found in Rerum Novarum, Quadragesimo Anno, Mater et Magistra, Gaudium et Spes, Centesimus Annus, and, of course, the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

The very reason a nation has banking and finance laws is that human beings are not perfect. Original sin affects everyone, and some people, be they CEOs, CFOs, bankers or brokers, sometimes make bad choices that produce bad effects that cause great harm to many innocent people. I know of no conservative or liberal, Republican, Democrat, or Libertarian who would advocate the repeal of laws barring insider trading.

We need laws to maintain some parameters on banks and stock brokers to protect people from abuse and exploitation. Republicans and Democrats dispute the length, breadth and depth of such legal regulations, but even a free market has some borders that cannot be ignored. Limited government is still very different from no government. Some, even if minimal, legislation is needed since not everyone acts prudently or fairly or for pristine motives.

That said, it was totally unfair and inaccurate of Rush to attack Pope Francis for addressing a letter as head of the Roman Catholic Church to his more than one billion members. The pontiff was merely reiterating consistent Church teaching that supports a free market, but also reminds the moral obligation to act responsibly, honestly and prudently. No one can command generosity but it is something which should be encouraged and promoted. Welfare dependency helps neither the individual nor the nation. Some welfare is necessary for those who cannot be helped by private or non-profit charitable organizations. However, the goal is always to help move those into economic independence and become self-sufficient.

Laborem Exercens teaches us the sanctity of human work. The Catechism tells us that the Catholic Church always believes justice and solidarity are essential and necessary to human freedom. Justice is distributive, commutative and social. Unfettered consumerism is not synonymous with capitalism. A free market system respects human freedom and autonomy. Consumerism is an abuse and an extreme. Communism wrongly treated human labor as a means of production for the state. Consumerism wrongly treats the product of human labor and of the free market as the final source of happiness and fulfillment.

Material things, while helpful, do not produce enduring and true happiness. They make life easier, more comfortable and more convenient. Technology helps cure sickness and disease and helps makes life less a burden. All Pope Francis is warning is that the possession and acquisition of goods is not salvific, nor does it bring lasting joy. Pleasure is temporary, whereas joy can be eternal.

The pontiff is not forcing any nation or government to abandon capitalism; he's not advocating socialism let alone communism. He is, however, reminding Catholics all over the globe that we must buy and sell prudently while using our consciences. In that light, I see no reason for Rush to take offense or issue with Pope Francis.

I highly urge Rush to read Father Robert Sirico's Defending the Free Market and John Horvat's Return to Order. Mr. Horvat does a splendid job explaining the notion of frenetic intemperance, which is a cousin of unfettered consumerism. Father Sirico precisely shows that freedom requires a free market and that greed is no friend of capitalism. Rather, greed flourishes under socialism.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: leviathan; limbaugh; mammon; mammonism; pope
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To: vladimir998

It’s really quite alarming.

I’ve always assumed that FREE REPUBLIC was a safe haven for ALL Faith’s. (my bad!)

Call in an exorcist! Heads are spinning! Pea green vomit is being spewed! Break out the Holy water and a Crucifix with an actual Corpus!

What a disgraceful display of hate.


61 posted on 11/30/2013 8:08:44 PM PST by billys kid (For the sake of His Sorrowful Passion have mercy on us and on the whole world...)
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To: billys kid
This thread is posted on the Religion Forum. Because it is not labeled, e.g. as "caucus" or "ecumenical" - it is by default an "open" thread which means posters may argue for or against deities, religious authorities, beliefs, etc.

If you are not comfortable with that style of religious debate, then only read and post to RF threads labeled "caucus" "ecumenical" "prayer" or "devotional."

62 posted on 11/30/2013 8:14:00 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: JSteff

Don’t confuse the Occupy Wall St crowd with conservatism.
Do you approve of insider trading (Enron)? Do you approve of the pyramid scheme (Madoff)? Do you agree with Soros’ currency manipulation and his conviction in a French court?


63 posted on 11/30/2013 8:18:31 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Religion Moderator

Hate is hate. Period.


64 posted on 11/30/2013 8:21:53 PM PST by billys kid (For the sake of His Sorrowful Passion have mercy on us and on the whole world...)
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To: NYer

From the Pope’s mouth:

“54. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.

No to the new idolatry of money

55. One cause of this situation is found in our relationship with money, since we calmly accept its dominion over ourselves and our societies. The current financial crisis can make us overlook the fact that it originated in a profound human crisis: the denial of the primacy of the human person! We have created new idols. The worship of the ancient golden calf (cf. Ex 32:1-35) has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money and the dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose. The worldwide crisis affecting finance and the economy lays bare their imbalances and, above all, their lack of real concern for human beings; man is reduced to one of his needs alone: consumption.

56. While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules. Debt and the accumulation of interest also make it difficult for countries to realize the potential of their own economies and keep citizens from enjoying their real purchasing power. To all this we can add widespread corruption and self-serving tax evasion, which have taken on worldwide dimensions. The thirst for power and possessions knows no limits. In this system, which tends to devour everything which stands in the way of increased profits, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interests of a deified market, which become the only rule... With this in mind, I encourage financial experts and political leaders to ponder the words of one of the sages of antiquity: “Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them and to take away their livelihood. It is not our own goods which we hold, but theirs”.

” Welfare projects, which meet certain urgent needs, should be considered merely temporary responses...We can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market. Growth in justice requires more than economic growth, while presupposing such growth: it requires decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes specifically geared to a better distribution of income, the creation of sources of employment and an integral promotion of the poor which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality. I am far from proposing an irresponsible populism, but the economy can no longer turn to remedies that are a new poison, such as attempting to increase profits by reducing the work force and thereby adding to the ranks of the excluded.

205. I ask God to give us more politicians capable of sincere and effective dialogue aimed at healing the deepest roots – and not simply the appearances – of the evils in our world! Politics, though often denigrated, remains a lofty vocation and one of the highest forms of charity, inasmuch as it seeks the common good.[174] We need to be convinced that charity “is the principle not only of micro-relationships (with friends, with family members or within small groups) but also of macro-relationships (social, economic and political ones)”.[175] I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor! It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare...

... Indeed, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find local solutions for enormous global problems which overwhelm local politics with difficulties to resolve. If we really want to achieve a healthy world economy, what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation, ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few.”

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html


“The pontiff was merely reiterating consistent Church teaching that supports a free market, but also reminds the moral obligation to act responsibly, honestly and prudently.”

Ummm...no. Read what the POPE said, not this guy’s spin. The Pope is calling for political leaders to impose economic ‘justice’ instead of allowing free people to make free choices in a free market. He wants “a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation, ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few.” How you get that without one world government, he doesn’t bother to explain. But then, explanations are what his handlers do as they follow him around, trying to explain what the Pope REALLY said...


65 posted on 11/30/2013 8:27:38 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Religion Moderator

Thanks. Iv’e been reading one thread after another and wondering why no warnings to the haters from the religion mods.
Thanks again for educating me about the rules.


66 posted on 11/30/2013 8:28:36 PM PST by billys kid (For the sake of His Sorrowful Passion have mercy on us and on the whole world...)
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To: Mr Rogers

What did Rush And Sarah really say?


67 posted on 11/30/2013 8:47:03 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Mr Rogers

Okay, now I’m PO’d at the pope again. His derisive reference to “trickle-down theories” is like something you’d see at Daily Kos. This can’t be chalked up to a translational error.


68 posted on 11/30/2013 11:50:31 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: billys kid

By “haters” I guess you mean Freepers who criticise the pope’s statement?


69 posted on 11/30/2013 11:52:19 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: fatima

“Yea if they read them.Both admitted they didn’t.”

Great. They were both honest. Nor are they required to read the entirety.


70 posted on 12/01/2013 5:55:32 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: NYer

That said, besides personal acts of Christian charity, it is logical and reasonable, prudent and necessary to pool resources and, even for the state, to help in cases where the most needy and most urgent cases are helped. Yet no pope ever promoted, nor called for, a welfare state that perpetually cares for the poor. The ultimate goal is to enable the poor to rise above poverty and reach a level of dignity commensurate with their human dignity.


Nope, when the Government gets involved it has nothing to do with what Jesus said about helping people , it becomes tyranny.


71 posted on 12/01/2013 6:19:12 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Nifster

As Rush’s brain dead example of the iPhone shows, there is plenty to dislike in the modern market “systems”, which are already shaped by the governments into something antithetical to free exchange. I agree with His Holiness, and I never attempted to twist what he said.


72 posted on 12/01/2013 7:18:32 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: fatima

“What did Rush And Sarah really say?”

Rush’s comments have already been posted at length on this thread. I haven’t read Palin’s comments. I posted the Pope’s because so many spinners are trying to pretend he did not say what he said - so I posted the Vatican’s translation of what he wrote.


73 posted on 12/01/2013 7:18:59 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: NYer

So, in effect, Pope Francis condemns worship of the false god of Mammon, and Rush freaks out as a result. Says a lot.


74 posted on 12/01/2013 7:21:36 AM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: Revolting cat!

WE are in big trouble, actually, when the USCCB, Archbishop Gomez, namely, and a Mexican immigrant to this country, publically criticizes our way of government, and in the arena of Amnesty, ostensibly for charity of these invaders, who care nothing for this country, which is being driven by unfettered consumers, corporations, in order for them to secure cheap non American labor here in our own country, of which the bishops are naïve, and all the Pope can say is something which can be misquoted or quoted as, give your money to the poor.

In a time when our county is on the brink of failure due to a 17 trillion dollar debt before obamacare, and we do not have any money to give to 20 or 30 million invaders, the quantity of which we are being lied to.

This country is in trouble financially, and the Church leaders are not helping


75 posted on 12/01/2013 8:10:41 AM PST by stanne
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To: annalex
"Just as the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say “thou shalt not” to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills. How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly home - less person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points? This is a case of exclusion. Can we continue to stand by when food is thrown away while people are starving? This is a case of inequality. Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the sur - vival of the ttest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of peo - ple nd themselves excluded and marginalized: 46 without work, without possibilities, without any means of escape" the pope's translated words….sounds pretty much like liberation theology that is spouted by the latin american wing….sorry doesn't work for me
76 posted on 12/01/2013 11:06:15 AM PST by Nifster
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To: annalex
" 46 without work, without possibilities, without any means of escape.Human beings are themselves considered consumer goods to be used and then discarded. We have created a “throw away” culture which is now spreading. It is no longer simply about exploitation and oppression, but something new. Exclusion ultimately has to do with what it means to be a part of the society in which we live; those excluded are no longer society’s underside or its fringes or its disenfranchised – they are no longer even a part of it. The excluded are not the “ex - ploited” but the outcast, the “leftovers”.54. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about great - er justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been conrmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selsh ideal, a globalization of indifference has devel - oped. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us." more of the same…. and I will quit with that
77 posted on 12/01/2013 11:09:16 AM PST by Nifster
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To: NYer

If trickle down was working today, we would not have the 24,000,000 that Romney said were looking for work.


78 posted on 12/01/2013 11:23:09 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Nifster

Yes, I have read the Exhortation and remember those wonderful passages. No, they are not liberation theology, — this is legitimate reading of the Gospel, and legitimate criticism of the modern state capitalism with global reach. Of course there are exclusion zones in the US, — ever drove through a black ghetto somewhere? — certainly there are exclusion zones in the Third World, rapidly filled by Islam. American style capitalism works so long that there is an American government looking after the interest of American nation. We don’t have one any more, it has been replaced with internationalist cabal in 1988. In other cultures, latter American style global capitalism demonstrably does not work for nearly anyone.

Whether the Exhortation “works for you” or not shouldn’t be anyone’s concern but yours; it isn’t a concern of mine.


79 posted on 12/01/2013 11:49:45 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: vladimir998
"Have you been paying attention the last fewdays?

The majority of "Christians" in this country, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, are far more concerned with the Almighty Dollar than they are with Almighty God.

It’s not inattention, it’s that people who see nothing wrong with following in the footsteps of Carthaginians sacrificing their children to Moloch in return for economic"blessings" rather than practicing self-control a few days a month are no longer capable of seeing anything from a Christian perspective.

That's why while there have been a bare minimum of twice as many infants murdered in the womb with "contraceptives" as have been murdered by invasive means what really generates emotion among "Christians" is someone saying something negative about the Golden Sow of extreme consumerism.

80 posted on 12/01/2013 12:04:19 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory)
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