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To: marshmallow
Good people should not be denied communion. It's common sense.

Vows....Priests take vows and leave and marry etc etc.

The church made a problem where there was no problem. They gave everyone a way out....pay....and you can get an annulment.

3 posted on 11/29/2013 7:09:05 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

The notion that all you need to do is pay a fee and get an annulment is a slur.

In most of the world, most Catholics ignore the Church’s marriage law and the annulment process. The U.S. is unusual in its observance of these things.

It is true that people decide to marry whoever they choose—then try to patch it up with the Church. If they really believed that the Church is Christ, they would take the Church’s marriage laws into account BEFORE getting married civilly and having children, etc.

In the age of pro-abortion “Catholics,” the Church should be emphasizing that Communion is NOT for anyone in the state of mortal sin.


5 posted on 11/29/2013 7:14:35 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Sacajaweau
They gave everyone a way out....pay....and you can get an annulment.

I know a number of people who "paid" and DIDN'T get their annulment. Even the originally poorly handled Rausch-Kennedy annulment ultimately was reversed.
6 posted on 11/29/2013 7:20:33 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Good people should not be denied communion.

What makes a person "good" - if you think he is nice?

Or is there an objective standard of morality?

Vows....Priests take vows and leave and marry etc etc.

You cannot abandon the priestly vow of celibacy and be a priest again.

You cannot abandon the marriage vow of fidelity to one spouse and then take a vow of fidelity to a different spouse.

Be serious.

The church made a problem where there was no problem.

Christian marriage is a "problem" that should never have existed?

Really?

They gave everyone a way out....pay....and you can get an annulment.

A comforting lie, I'm sure.

But still a lie.

12 posted on 11/29/2013 8:25:40 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Sacajaweau
Good people should not be denied communion. It's common sense.

Good people do not abandon their spouses and then take up with someone else in a make believe marriage. If you have a problem with "until death do us part" take it up with Jesus.

23 posted on 11/29/2013 10:36:00 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Sacajaweau
Take care that your solutions don't raise more problems than they solve.

"Good people should not be denied communion. It's common sense."

Who would decide who's "good people"?. Andrew Cuomo living with his concubine is a "good" person in his own eyes. Nancy Pelosi ("Catholic Mother of Five!") is a "good" person in her own eyes.

You know darn well that the smiling "brides" Sherry Rose and Valerie Garden are "good," and getting better all the time as the Misses Rose-Garden get inseminated by the very same Mr. Mililiter at the Women's Clinic.

We live in an age where almost any personal failure can be covered up with a positive self-image.

"Vows....Priests take vows and leave and marry etc etc."

Aside from the fact that the sacramental issue is different (celibacy is not a constitutive element of Holy Orders, but lifelong fidelity is a constitutive element of Matrimony) how would vowbreaking in one instance justify vowbreaking in another?

Incidentally, marriage to clerics or religious not dispensed from their vows, is invalid.

"The church made a problem where there was no problem. They gave everyone a way out....pay....and you can get an annulment."

There is no "way out" of a valid marital bond, except the death of one of the spouses. If you don't think you had a valid marital bond from the git-go, you can take your case to a tribunal for judgment: but that doesn't mean they'll rule in your favor. The Tribunal may find that the bond was valid from the beginning.

"In the US, 6 percent of ordinary-process cases are renounced by those seeking an annulment, while an additional 6 percent are abated because the parties failed to follow through with the procedural acts necessary for a trial to take place. Of the remaining 88 percent of cases in which sentences are given, 96 percent of sentences are in favor of nullity."(LINK)

As for money? It doesn't depend on money. People who have the means, must pay their court costs. People who are not economically able, can have the court costs prorated, or even written of entirely. I've seen this numerous times with my RCIA students --- adults preparing to enter the Catholic Church.

29 posted on 11/29/2013 12:54:09 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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